no one has sugested outlawing TRT, dont know where you got that.
How did you take anything in my post as a jab at you? I made an emotionless observation.The OP has a long storied history of being a hypochondriac and making ridiculous posts. I'm not condoning anything, but I understand exactly why he's catching shit. Do you make it a point to defend people you know nothing about?
You clearly were not done with this, as you decided to end your post with one more jab towards me.
If my post seems one sided, it's because you seem to be doing the vast majority of the instigating, and you're targeting one person depsite at least 2 other people making similar statements. Remove your emotions from the equation and go back and read what people have said; it will read much differently if you're able to do that.
If you can't do that, then to quote you... "Perhaps you should up your AI".
You mistook my replies to you as being up for debate. You are continuing to instigate drama, injecting emotion, instead of having a civil debate.How did you take anything in my post as a jab at you? I made an emotionless observation.
If anyone is acting on emotions, its you with the response above. On top of that you use what you claimed to be an insult to try and insult me. LOL. Ok pal.
Yes, I am done arguing with people trying to say false statements are true.
Can I get one thing straight too. So you don't condone name calling and child like behavior unless in your view the poster deserves to be insulted? Really? Good luck with that philosophy.
In case you missed it, here are some of the civil responses to me in particular:
"Yea no shit. Anyone with half a brain can figure that the fuck out."
"Put me on ignore if you don’t want to read what I write. I’m not doing shit for some “new guy” on the internet."
"You’re a nobody and I’m not agreeing with your “proof”. You don’t understand that estrogen and xyz"
definitely wasn't a fair trial for that fella. he had much worse shit thrown at him than he threw at anyone.
Everyone else moved on from cocoh, and this other guy is continuing to drag out the drama. There was 3-4 post directed to Connor, and theres like a page and a half from heavyw8 instigating drama towards everyone else.
valdosta for mod
It's an incredibly controlled study. Natural production was suppressed. They were given estrogen and progesterone which yes are contraceptives, and also the exact hormone and an analog for that hormone we are currently talking about and it's effect on water retention.
ive never once stated estrogen doesnt contribute to water retention. im simply pulling info from the study you provided to push my point that it is far from the only factor, and not directly comparable to our purposes where e2 is elevated through aromatase vs exogenous administration along with progesterone.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Thank you. @69nites believes I’m the anti-Christ somehow sent from MESO to destroy this forum so he pretends to have me on ignore and won’t engage directly. Hence his passive-aggressive “ridiculous” comment. Your discussion was conveying the same thing I was trying to convey. Estrogen and sodium are merely links in the chain with a few other links that if one link is missing there’s no water retention as it all gets interrupted.ive never once stated estrogen doesnt contribute to water retention. im simply pulling info from the study you provided to push my point that it is far from the only factor, and not directly comparable to our purposes where e2 is elevated through aromatase vs exogenous administration along with progesterone.
Im not even saying managing sodium is the way to properly manage water retention.
Water retention is a multifaceted, complicated bodily function impacted by dozens of variables. Simply saying "youre retaining water because your estrogen is too high" or "prevent water retention by managing your estrogen" not strictly accurate, or true in most cases. its comparable to saying "if you want your car to run, make sure you replace your wipers". Diet, activity level, hydration, kidney function, cortisol levels, electrolyte balance, they are all only small parts of what contributes to "water retention". Estrogen alone plays a minimal role.
there are literally thousands of hypogonadal men taking HRT to put them in the healthy range, that still require an AI. And for reference, i tend to let my e2 run high because, shocker, it doesnt cause noticeable water retention for me. However, I am a high aromatiser that is gyno sensitive, so my management of my e2 to keep it around or lower than 55 on my trt dose is to prevent any more progression on my preexisting pubertal gyno.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with properly managing your estrogen with modern 3rd generation AIs such as aromasin. They have been studies to absolute death and show very very little negative health risks or adverse events.
full textDrug safety evaluation of exemestane - PubMed
Exemestane is a safe drug due to its steroidal structure, which blocks aromatase at a different site to nonsteroidal AIs (eg., anastrozole and letrozole). Noncross-resistance with nonsteroidal aromatase inhibitors makes it an attractive alternative for all clinical indications of aromatase...
This dogma of "avoid an AI at all costs" is dated, counterproductive, and not backed by any real legitimate health reasoning. Im not saying you necessarily are part of that dogma, but it ads to the misinformation that AIs are a bad thing.
Just had my hormones' checked my T was over 1500 and my E2 was 116. As i was on .5mg anastrozole 2x week. And doing 200mg T micro dosed daily. No water retention. And the only down sided is people/world is more irritating but many things can bring that symptom on.
He's obsessed with any place that's perma-banned him.
Lifter leaves and everyone gets along. Hmmm… I think I’ve seen that on other forums before too.He's obsessed with any place that's perma-banned him.
He also thinks I fear you, and am in cahoots with you to protect you instead of "standing against those who would oppress others" and a number of other things he rants about.
For someone who has moved on, he sure likes to stalk people on this board. He even says people are being treated like shit, despite the fact that this is probably the most people have gotten along with each other in a long time.
Typical lifter being lifter
I had a similar problem when I went off for 5 months trying to recover natural test. Test and fsh were in the basement. I gave up on that idea.
