First Dianabol Cycle Tips

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Someone can use DBOL as a base in a first cycle or second or thirtieth.

Why does everyone parrot back the same thing? "A first cycle is 500 MGS of test a week". Yes, that's a good first cycle but it's far from the only way someone can go.

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Just because you can, doesn't mean that you should.

With the exception of, "that's all I got", give me one rational reason where you would tell someone that using dianabol as a base on a first cycle is a good idea.

Defend your position, counselor.
 
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Just because you can, doesn't mean that you should.

With the exception of, "that's all I got", give me one rational reason where you would tell someone that using dianabol as a base on a first cycle is a good idea.

Defend your position, counselor.
You know you are a real smart ass lol.

What I'm saying is there is no reason someone can't use 30 MGS a day of DIANABOL with 150 MGS of test. Tell me what the problem is with that??

And, please don't tell me " because it's what I've read and been told for the past whatever years".

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You know you are a real smart ass lol.

What I'm saying is there is no reason someone can't use 30 MGS a day of DIANABOL with 150 MGS of test. Tell me what the problem is with that??

And, please don't tell me " because it's what I've read and been told for the past whatever years".

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Because it's his first cycle, and what if he's especially sensitive to estrogen? The methylestradiol that dianabol metabolizes into is more potent and harder to control than the regular estradiol that our bodies produce. He may have a gyno surgery in his future.

Wouldn't you say that it would have been better to learn of his estrogen sensitivity with a cycle of just testosterone, and a less potent form of estradiol?

And what if he's like me, sensitive to DHT. He'd have no idea which compound was causing the problems because he started off with two compounds.

What if BOTH caused him problems?

You want to change ONE variable at a time for this very reason, so as not to muddy the data.
 
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Because it's his first cycle, and what if he's especially sensitive to estrogen? The methylestradiol that dianabol metabolizes into is more potent and harder to control than the regular estradiol that our bodies produce. He may have a gyno surgery in his future.

Wouldn't you say that it would have been better to learn of his estrogen sensitivity with a cycle of just testosterone, and a less potent form of estradiol?

And what if he's like me, sensitive to DHT. He'd have no idea which compound was causing the problems because he started off with two compounds.

What if BOTH caused him problems?

You want to change ONE variable at a time for this very reason, so as not to muddy the data.
Are you serious. You'll come up with anything just to "win" whatever you think we are debating won't you.

What if he's sensitive to estrogen, did you really ask that question? If he's very sensitive to estrogen and doesn't use a blocker he's going to get gyno using just testosterone anyway. If he uses 10 MGS of noveldex with 30 mgs of DBOL no one is getting gyno. You should know that.

That was such a dumb point I didn't bother reading the rest.

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Because it's his first cycle, and what if he's especially sensitive to estrogen? The methylestradiol that dianabol metabolizes into is more potent and harder to control than the regular estradiol that our bodies produce. He may have a gyno surgery in his future.

Wouldn't you say that it would have been better to learn of his estrogen sensitivity with a cycle of just testosterone, and a less potent form of estradiol?

And what if he's like me, sensitive to DHT. He'd have no idea which compound was causing the problems because he started off with two compounds.

What if BOTH caused him problems?

You want to change ONE variable at a time for this very reason, so as not to muddy the data.
You really do not have much cognitive ability do you??

I glanced at the end of the post. Did you also actually ask what if he's unusually sensitive to DIANABOL?? Lol. What if he's unusually sensitive to testosterone? It's not exactly but pretty much your arguments are all based on circular logic.

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Are you serious. You'll come up with anything just to "win" whatever you think we are debating won't you.

What if he's sensitive to estrogen, did you really ask that question? If he's very sensitive to estrogen and doesn't use a blocker he's going to get gyno using just testosterone anyway. If he uses 10 MGS of noveldex with 30 mgs of DBOL no one is getting gyno. You should know that.

That was such a dumb point I didn't bother reading the rest.

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You have a terrible mindset. Your solution is just up use another drug to combat the unwanted side effects of another drug. So basically, just keep smacking your head into the wall, but take some Tylenol so the headache goes away.

It's just flat out stupid.

The answer is NOT to simply take some Nolva, it's to not use dianabol, and to use a different non/lower aromatizing drug. Dbol isn't some magic drug that we must take. In fact, it's pretty much been dismissed as a junk drug, seems like it's only nostalgia keeping it in the conversation. Same people who think front loading is still a good idea.
 
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You really do not have much cognitive ability do you??

I glanced at the end of the post. Did you also actually ask what if he's unusually sensitive to DIANABOL?? Lol. What if he's unusually sensitive to testosterone? It's not exactly but pretty much your arguments are all based on circular logic.

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So you have no good answer then, correct? Just deflecting? Because some people are!!!
 
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Ok here's my two cents cus no one asked and it's the internet ...

First run , no orals , no special sauces , no blends.

Because ? @CJ is right.

Multiple variables only complicate and confuse , learn to swim before you climb the high dive tower.

Dbol , Drol do not belong in a first run and shouldn't be used until some one is well versed on how to deal with the unique issues each can cause and how to deal with them.

Does he get a SERM or an AI ? cus with either of those compounds , it matters. An by doing that we return to @CJ being right , that adds another variable and complicates things further , why bother ?

Could you run 4 weeks of Drol and Dbol with no test ,, sure , you would need both ai and serm , and the right ones. The question is ,, why ? cus it's just dumb.

How do I know it's dumb ? was my first run , 86/87 Dbol n Drol with no test , no clue WTF I was doing , blew up ,got strong as fuck , felt like shit , head turned purple tying my shoes , ran out , deflated ..... :cry:
 
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Ok here's my two cents cus no one asked and it's the internet ...

First run , no orals , no special sauces , no blends.

Because ? @CJ is right.

Multiple variables only complicate and confuse , learn to swim before you climb the high dive tower.

Dbol , Drol do not belong in a first run and shouldn't be used until some one is well versed on how to deal with the unique issues each can cause and how to deal with them.

Does he get a SERM or an AI ? cus with either of those compounds , it matters. An by doing that we return to @CJ being right , that adds another variable and complicates things further , why bother ?

Could you run 4 weeks of Drol and Dbol with no test ,, sure , you would need both ai and serm , and the right ones. The question is ,, why ? cus it's just dumb.

How do I know it's dumb ? was my first run , 86/87 Dbol n Drol with no test , no clue WTF I was doing , blew up ,got strong as fuck , felt like shit , head turned purple tying my shoes , ran out , deflated ..... :cry:
That's some real world info! Thanks, Brother! 👍 👍
 

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OK, maybe I have a little personal bias in there. 🤣

It's definitely used less now, though.
To me , Dbol's just a force multiplier you blow up and it makes you stronger with all the retention. That's all illusion though.

But

With being stronger you can do more at heavier weights , do more "good damage" to the muscles and pack on good mass that you do get to keep.

I think folks look at the bloat n retention and think , that's the goal , it shouldn't be , it should be used to multiply your test base a bit to get the most out of training you can.

Cus the water n sugar you sure don't get to keep.

The other thing I think is that folks way over estimate what lean gains look like , so when the bloat fades they assume they gained nothing.

An let's face it people are fucking lazy ,they might not get anything out of it if they don't step up their game and utilize it properly.
 
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I'm starting a first DBol cycle next week after years of nat supplements that haven't gotten results. In scouring info here, plan is:

** 20 mg/day for 4-6 weeks
** .5 mg/day armidex

Questions:

** should i ease in with 4 weeks or would 6 be fine?
** anything else in stack?
** what should first PCT look like - test? 4-6 weeks? Preciate the guidance!
A dbol only cycle is pointless. And you don't need an A.I. with dbol. You obviously haven't got a clue. Suggest you go away and do a lot of research before embarking on any cycle whatsoever !
 
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