Have I Overdone It - When is it Overkill?

Joined
Sep 18, 2024
Messages
13
Reaction score
3
Points
3
Hi everyone

I’m new to the forum. Thank you for all the information on the topics. It reminds me that knowledge is power. Do your research before you dive into the deep end. Unfortunately, I didn’t do that and I’m not sure what to do next. Having read the Newbie post, I realise that my failure to plan my cycle, particularly my PCT cycle, has been my downfall.

i have been on a cycle for what certainly appears to be way too long. It seems to me that I have two choices. Stop my cycle and start PCT, or stop my cycle except Test, which I should lower to a maintenance (maybe better to say “TRT”) dose. What to do and how to do it is where I get stuck. I’ve read the forums on these topics, but I’ve found it difficult to find a uniform answer on the process.

My problem:

I had never done a cycle. I researched the topic, but ultimately followed the advice of what I believed to be a veteran. I started on Test E (500mg per week). I built up to 1000mg per week after about 10 weeks. I then added Anavar (20mg) for period of 6(ish) weeks. I added EQ once I completed the Anavar. I ended up on Test E (500 mg per week) and EQ (500mg per week), which I still take. On about Week 20, I added Deca (150mg per week). I experienced crazy headaches and stopped Deca after about a month.

As it stands, I have been on Test E for 8 months and EQ for 5 months. I followed the advice of my supplier all along, but accept that I should have done my research properly and made smart decisions. Hindsight is a perfect science. When you don’t know what you doing, it also easier to simply follow the advice of someone who sounds like they know what they are doing.

I haven’t experienced any side effects to date, except for the headaches on Deca. I had blood work done about two weeks ago and all looks good, except that my red blood count is high. I have arranged for a venesection on my doctor’s advice. My blood pressure has been a bit high at times, but it seems to have settled since I stopped Deca.

It seems I need to stop the current cycle, although opinions differ as to how I should do so (as well as what to do after that). I have researched the topic and am confused. All I know is that I have overshot the mark and must act now. I don’t know whether to taper or whether to simply stop. I am also lost between whether to take Clomid, Nolvadex and HCG, and for how long to take each one. I have been told all three products for two weeks, only Clomid and Nolvadex for 4 to 6 weeks. I have been told start immediately, start two weeks after your last injection. Obviously each person I ask has a different opinion.

I don’t know whether I should stop Test altogether. My Test levels were low last year when I had blood work done (Lower than the range accepted as “normal”). My doctor discussed options with me at the time, which included TRT as a last resort. I didn’t do anything at the time. I suppose the “problem” was temporarily solved when I started Test E. Hence I don’t know if I should continue with a maintenance / TRT dose of Test E even when I stop my cycle. I understand such a dose of Test may negate the need to do a PCT cycle altogether, but I would need to monitor it.

I am quite lost at the moment. I’m not sure what next do, nor how to do it.

My last consideration is what to do next. Obviously I need to do more research and read more credible forum threads. But I want to think ahead so that I have a proper game plan and am not merely doing what I am told next. I am 1.86m and 104kgs. I have put on about 10kgs in the last 8 months. I don’t want to bulk. I want to focus on lean muscle, strength and definition.

I am sure that “what do you suggest I do” isn’t the correct question to ask. But any input, advice, guidance would be much appreciated. I feel that I have overshot the mark and am shooting blindly in the dark. The have not placed my health at the forefront and now need to do so asap. You only have one body. Look after it. Right?!?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Yano

Flatlandah
Joined
Aug 28, 2021
Messages
15,582
Reaction score
30,332
Points
383
What the fuck?!?

(Moved the thread to the proper forum)
I just read that for the second time and that was what I said too.
 
Joined
Sep 18, 2024
Messages
13
Reaction score
3
Points
3
What the fuck?!?

(Moved the thread to the proper forum)

Sorry man. I’m new to the forum. Did I place my post in the wrong thread?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Yano

Flatlandah
Joined
Aug 28, 2021
Messages
15,582
Reaction score
30,332
Points
383
Sorry man. I’m new to the forum. Did I place my post in the wrong thread?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
@CJ moved it for you already. It's where it needs to be now
 

Yano

Flatlandah
Joined
Aug 28, 2021
Messages
15,582
Reaction score
30,332
Points
383
Anabolic Discussions thread where it is now.
 

TODAY

Elite
SI Founding Member
Joined
Jul 24, 2012
Messages
5,947
Reaction score
15,275
Points
333
Sorry man. I’m new to the forum. Did I place my post in the wrong thread?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That's the steroidal neurodegeneration talking
 

CJ

Mod Squad
Joined
Feb 24, 2014
Messages
22,631
Reaction score
41,615
Points
383
Drop everything except for Test E for a month, use that at 150 mg per week for the 4 weeks period. This is because Equipoise takes longer for your body to metabolize, use, and get rid of than it does the Testosterone.

Then you have a fork in the road. One way is to continue to self medicate a TRT protocol, which I don't recommend for you, as you are very inexperienced.

Another option is to run a PCT, or don't and let it happen naturally, and follow up with your doctor a couple of months later to have another round of bloodwork.

Next time, keep it simple. Don't listen to dipshits.
 

CJ

Mod Squad
Joined
Feb 24, 2014
Messages
22,631
Reaction score
41,615
Points
383
And how was your progress over the 8 months? Care to share any before and after pics? Some stats?
 
Joined
Sep 18, 2024
Messages
13
Reaction score
3
Points
3
Drop everything except for Test E for a month, use that at 150 mg per week for the 4 weeks period. This is because Equipoise takes longer for your body to metabolize, use, and get rid of than it does the Testosterone.

Then you have a fork in the road. One way is to continue to self medicate a TRT protocol, which I don't recommend for you, as you are very inexperienced.

Another option is to run a PCT, or don't and let it happen naturally, and follow up with your doctor a couple of months later to have another round of bloodwork.

Next time, keep it simple. Don't listen to dipshits.

I’m not copping out, but he really was a dipshit. I’m more of a dipshit for listening to him, but still.

Thanks CJ. That really helps. It makes a whole lot of sense and gives me a road map for the next few months. From what I have read, it seemed that PCT is the way forward. I can always adapt and look at the TRT route later, but I would prefer to keep it simple for now. I love that part. Keep it simple!

My gains were really good. I gained 10kgs, with little to no excess. My strength increased by about 30%. I went from shoulder pressing 25kg to 35kg, curling 45kgs (up from 35kgs). I also had no side effects. Literally none, other than the odd mood swing. That is what seemed most strange to me. It’s as if I never overkilled and am meant to be on my current regime, although I know it’s not the case.

I’ll get my before photos from my old phone or WhatsApp history archive on my PC and share.

Thanks again man. Valuable and much appreciated information.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

CJ

Mod Squad
Joined
Feb 24, 2014
Messages
22,631
Reaction score
41,615
Points
383
I’m not copping out, but he really was a dipshit. I’m more of a dipshit for listening to him, but still.

Thanks CJ. That really helps. It makes a whole lot of sense and gives me a road map for the next few months. From what I have read, it seemed that PCT is the way forward. I can always adapt and look at the TRT route later, but I would prefer to keep it simple for now. I love that part. Keep it simple!

My gains were really good. I gained 10kgs, with little to no excess. My strength increased by about 30%. I went from shoulder pressing 25kg to 35kg, curling 45kgs (up from 35kgs). I also had no side effects. Literally none, other than the odd mood swing. That is what seemed most strange to me. It’s as if I never overkilled and am meant to be on my current regime, although I know it’s not the case.

I’ll get my before photos from my old phone or WhatsApp history archive on my PC and share.

Thanks again man. Valuable and much appreciated information.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10 kg/22 lbs gained over about 34 weeks sounds like a solid, reasonable amount. I'm very interested in seeing the before/after pics.
 

Kraken

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 3, 2020
Messages
2,001
Reaction score
1,821
Points
113
I'm confused. The only side effects you mentioned were headaches while using the Deca, and you put on muscle. You're seeing a doctor. You seem very upset, but why? It seems you had a good result.
 
Joined
Sep 18, 2024
Messages
13
Reaction score
3
Points
3
10 kg/22 lbs gained over about 34 weeks sounds like a solid, reasonable amount. I'm very interested in seeing the before/after pics.

Being a newbie, I’ll take your lead on this one. The feedback I received is that my gains were pretty decent. I’ll get those pics and share.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Joined
Sep 18, 2024
Messages
13
Reaction score
3
Points
3
I'm confused. The only side effects you mentioned were headaches while using the Deca, and you put on muscle. You're seeing a doctor. You seem very upset, but why? It seems you had a good result.

That’s my exact problem. I almost feel too good. I’ve never felt better. I’m confident, motivated, bed “savvy”, and all the other things that make a person feel good. I’ve also had good gains. But I also know that people that seem super healthy drop dead because they didn’t realise that they a ticking time bomb for many months. I know that a 8 month cycle of that magnitude as a newbie can’t be good for me. Unless it’s the “not one glove fits all” reality of using juice.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Kraken

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 3, 2020
Messages
2,001
Reaction score
1,821
Points
113
I know that a 8 month cycle of that magnitude as a newbie can’t be good for me. Unless it’s the “not one glove fits all” reality of using juice.
Well, go back to your doctor, tell him all this, and let him check you out. He'll probably order some blood work as well. If that's your concern, which I totally get, then the only thing that will make you confident is a good checkup.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind having your problem.
 
Joined
Sep 18, 2024
Messages
13
Reaction score
3
Points
3
Well, go back to your doctor, tell him all this, and let him check you out. He'll probably order some blood work as well. If that's your concern, which I totally get, then the only thing that will make you confident is a good checkup.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind having your problem.

Thanks my dude. Much appreciated. I probably should do a full checkup. It would be me at ease, either way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Joined
Oct 3, 2024
Messages
13
Reaction score
6
Points
3
You are one lucky user. First cycle, stacking different compounds without triggering sides and bloods still sounds reasonably fine. You got good advice on the board here from people who have experience and care. Once you decide whether to go on TRT or PCT, wish you a recovery. Let us know how it goes!
 
Joined
Oct 25, 2024
Messages
103
Reaction score
60
Points
28
What were your bench, dead, squat numbers? I'm sure you will be fine. Just going to have a little slump when you come off is all. Just keep eating and lifting. My first cycle in 2012 was 500test and 400 EQ for 26 weeks or something like that. Did HCG 1500iu every 3rd day for 5 rounds and closed at 100mg day 1-3 and 50mg a day for 5 weeks after. Take tudca for your liver. 22lbs seems low unless you were eating super clean. Good job though and listen to the brothers. Get blood work regularly and come off for 6months or a year and start with something more simple. Have a good day
 
Top