Help with healing/strengthening cycle post surgery

[buffal0billy]

Stats:
22yrs old
165
12% bf or so just been out of the gym due to surgery (2020 surgery)
Had 3 operations on my shoulder
Used gear for a year just blast n cruise with guidance before surgery

**sorry if it’s all over the place I’m just weighing my options and I know all these are effective to achieve my goals and they can most likely stay or be rearranged**


If my calculations are off about long esters please let me know, and I am mindful and know what measures I need to take for adverse effects (know my e2 balance)

So I am running a repair cycle, and I know both var and Deca increase collagen synthesis and aid in ligament repair and joint mobility

Pinning 2x wk
Hcg whole way 250iu eod?
(Spare my gonads)

Wk:2-3 25mg Dbol pre workout
Wk:3-6 25mg morning+25mg pre workout

Wk:1-10? {Adex .5/wk){caber if needed}
500mg Test E/Wk
400mg Deca/wk
Wk:11- switch to NPP 75mg eod
Add 50mg var daily maybe?
Start lowering Test
By wk 16-20: drop npp and take cruise dose
Follow post with trt dose (I’m already shut down from previous)
Return to clomid regimen
I also have leftover mast, and idk if adding that as well would just be overkill, it’s pretty mild but if that would be more regular ending with mast prop/npp eod.
Var 2x daily (50mg daily)
Test E taper into cruise, 200mg then go to 100mg



Have previous experience but only with short esters (sust/tren ace) along with most orals and mats prop
I’d just really like some input. I have never been prone to prolactin sides or e2 imbalance even at 750/sust 600/ace wk letro eod or e3d.
Never needed caber even on 600/ace wk

Thank you to anyone that has insight, I just want my mobility and strength back
Not a noobie just never tried it this way

 

[CJ]

My first thought is.... Why are you only 165 lbs with all this drug experience?

 

[buffal0billy]

My first thought is.... Why are you only 165 lbs with all this drug experience?

I was 190+ before surgery but my test shutdown and I was retaining some fat and got on clomid and began losing weight , I’m 5’7 and it’s been almost 2 years since I was on cycle, and my medical treatment was so busy with my shoulder injuries I didn’t think to go get bloods and get on HRT. Idk but my natty max was 170 if that. before so I’m just back to baseline, I started gear because I lost weight from poor diet and working a lot of hours so I went from 140-190 within that year, and I don’t wanna lose anymore weight and I’m not gonna let myself get below what I am now

 

[GSgator]

IMO I wouldn’t take more then a TRT dose. I just had shoulder surgery and when I get the go ahead to train again the last thing my newly repaired shoulder needs is me getting stronger in record time. See muscle is easy to build back it’s the tendons and Ligaments that need ample time to fully repair and unfortunately AAS aren’t very productive at doing that in record time. Your muscle will build to much strength for your connective tissues to support and BAM you back to square 1.

So how long after your surgery are your going to run that 500mg test,400 deca and d-bol.

 

[buffal0billy]

I am over a year out of surgery, it’s healed just needs strengthened, I can move my arm a bit above my head

 

[GSgator]

You need to ask yourself why 3 surgery’s Is it the same injury reoccurring is the doctor screwing up are you pushing things to quickly?

 

[buffal0billy]

Not same injury it was an old surgery that got damaged by dislocations by lack of muscle there, hence why I started training, everything is healed, PT told me I’m g2g to train and muscle just needs to be rebuilt from atrophy to repair movement

 

[GSgator]

Not same injury it was an old surgery that got damaged by dislocations by lack of muscle there, hence why I started training, everything is healed, PT told me I’m g2g to train and muscle just needs to be rebuilt from atrophy to repair movement

That’s good to hear and sounds like you got the green light. I’ve had both my shoulders repaired it’s been a 2 year process that all started Aug 2020. I would say most of my injuries are due to me progressing to quickly while running AAS hence all my questions regarding your repair cycle.

 

[Test_subject]

Stats:
165


Thank you to anyone that has insight…

Eat more food. Unless you’re like 5’1” you have no reason to be taking steroids at that weight.

There’s no way that you’re maxed out or even close to it.

 

[Send0]

Not sure how you have so much experience being that you're 22 years old, with only a year of use under your belt from back when you were 20 years old.

With that said, I would strengthen things without the use of PEDs.

Nandrolone adds synovial fluid to the joint, which can make things comfortable.at a low dose if you suffer from something like arthritis in the joint... But at supraphysiological dosages it can actually hinder healing of connective tissues.

The Effect of Local Use of Nandrolone Decanoate on Rotator Cuff Repair in Rabbits | Request PDF

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I'm also confused by the green light your PT gave you. You can move your arm over head a "bit"; to me this doesn't sound like you've restored mobility or ROM. I'm not sure why a PT would tell you to start pushing weight at this stage.

I'm in PT for my shoulder. I've restored a lot of my mobility and ROM, and I'm just now barely getting.to the point to where he wants me to start pushing weight on the physical therapy exercises... not bodybuilding/powerlifting exercises... There's a big difference; jump the gun and you will set yourself back to square 1.

All that aside, forego the steroids for now and continue your PT. You don't need steroids for the level of strengthening that you require.

 

[Butch_C]

Not sure how you have so much experience being that you're 22 years old, with only a year of use under your belt from back when you were 20 years old.

With that said, I would strengthen things without the use of PEDs.

Nandrolone adds synovial fluid to the joint, which can make things comfortable.at a low dose if you suffer from something like arthritis in the joint... But at supraphysiological dosages it can actually hinder healing of connective tissues.

The Effect of Local Use of Nandrolone Decanoate on Rotator Cuff Repair in Rabbits | Request PDF

Request PDF | The Effect of Local Use of Nandrolone Decanoate on Rotator Cuff Repair in Rabbits | There is still controversy about the effect of anabolic steroid on connective tissue. This study examines the hypothesis that the local use of... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on...

www.researchgate.net

Effects of supraphysiological doses of nandrolone decanoate in Achilles tendon of rats – MLTJ

www.mltj.online

I'm also confused by the green light your PT gave you. You can move your arm over head a "bit"; to me this doesn't sound like you've restored mobility or ROM. I'm not sure why a PT would tell you to start pushing weight at this stage.

I'm in PT for my shoulder. I've restored a lot of my mobility and ROM, and I'm just now barely getting.to the point to where he wants me to start pushing weight on the physical therapy exercises... not bodybuilding/powerlifting exercises... There's a big difference; jump the gun and you will set yourself back to square 1.

All that aside, forego the steroids for now and continue your PT. You don't need steroids for the level of strengthening that you require.

I agree 100%. Both of my shoulders have had surgery about 4 years apart. Strengthening did not start until I had ROM restored. Then it was only light resistance bands. Resistance bands got stronger as I progressed but it was about 8 weeks of resistance band training only. Then the doctor released me for lifting up to 10 lbs for a couple of months then raised it to 20 then fully released me. There was 6 months of just fixing range of motion though.

 

[TomJ]

22yo
165lbs looking to take ever a gram?

and with heavy tren cycles in the past?

sorry buddy but i dont think all the drugs in the world are gonna help that underdeveloped brain of yours

 

[DirtyCurt425]

Definitely don't need all that to get back to 190. Like everyone else stated you are more than likely just going to reinjure yourself. Go with what Gator said if anything and just do a small dose of test. If you were 190 before and are 165-170 now because you haven't been eating right and not training, then you will get back to 190 in 6 months probably anyway without gear. Save the cycle to when you get back without it so you can actually get bigger and not risk tearing your shoulder up again. Most people are going to advise against what you want to do but if you want to do it then just do it.

 

[Oldbastard]

Not sure how you have so much experience being that you're 22 years old, with only a year of use under your belt from back when you were 20 years old.

With that said, I would strengthen things without the use of PEDs.

Nandrolone adds synovial fluid to the joint, which can make things comfortable.at a low dose if you suffer from something like arthritis in the joint... But at supraphysiological dosages it can actually hinder healing of connective tissues.

The Effect of Local Use of Nandrolone Decanoate on Rotator Cuff Repair in Rabbits | Request PDF

Request PDF | The Effect of Local Use of Nandrolone Decanoate on Rotator Cuff Repair in Rabbits | There is still controversy about the effect of anabolic steroid on connective tissue. This study examines the hypothesis that the local use of... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on...

www.researchgate.net

Effects of supraphysiological doses of nandrolone decanoate in Achilles tendon of rats – MLTJ

www.mltj.online

I'm also confused by the green light your PT gave you. You can move your arm over head a "bit"; to me this doesn't sound like you've restored mobility or ROM. I'm not sure why a PT would tell you to start pushing weight at this stage.

I'm in PT for my shoulder. I've restored a lot of my mobility and ROM, and I'm just now barely getting.to the point to where he wants me to start pushing weight on the physical therapy exercises... not bodybuilding/powerlifting exercises... There's a big difference; jump the gun and you will set yourself back to square 1.

All that aside, forego the steroids for now and continue your PT. You don't need steroids for the level of strengthening that you require.

Great post - the original kid posting you shouid rehab and train natty too build connective tissues strength and flexibility. AAS are no shortcut they enhance what you have done and how you eat and train . That many injuries you are obviously doing many things incorrectly. I've had spine reconstruction in 1995 . Remained natty for ten years while I rehabbed. To this day no pain im 56 and I can do things now I could not do as a young man . No belt no wraps natty for 15 years then I blast . Tendons and ligaments need too become more flexible and you need exercise too shuttle nutrition into the area because they are poor circulation areas to begin with . People need too wake up and realize hgh and AAS are not the answer . You are . Your diet your training and rest . When you can do that and not injure yourself then try gear

 

[Oldbastard]

Definitely don't need all that to get back to 190. Like everyone else stated you are more than likely just going to reinjure yourself. Go with what Gator said if anything and just do a small dose of test. If you were 190 before and are 165-170 now because you haven't been eating right and not training, then you will get back to 190 in 6 months probably anyway without gear. Save the cycle to when you get back without it so you can actually get bigger and not risk tearing your shoulder up again. Most people are going to advise against what you want to do but if you want to do it then just do it.

So true yes kid after asking advice continue too ignore all the seasoned vets and remain injured and depressed! Carry on

 

[buffal0billy]

Update to all y’all being assholes on my thread, I have been doing the dosages described and am holding at 185-190 better physique than I had last time I was on, e2 In check and no prolactin issues, sex drive is amazing, my doc gave me ancillaries rx and cialis. I really don’t know why everyone expresses so much hatred, I have pretty good mobility in my shoulder, just overhead movement isn’t quite there yet. @Oldbastard @TomJ and for being 5’8 I was pretty good sized and built up to that 190 from 135 due to very long work hours and poor diet is why I lost the weight that I did to get to 135, coach was a pro and formulated everything to get me where I was

 

[TomJ]

Update to all y’all being assholes on my thread, I have been doing the dosages described and am holding at 185-190 better physique than I had last time I was on, e2 In check and no prolactin issues, sex drive is amazing, my doc gave me ancillaries rx and cialis. I really don’t know why everyone expresses so much hatred, I have pretty good mobility in my shoulder, just overhead movement isn’t quite there yet. @Oldbastard @TomJ and for being 5’8 I was pretty good sized and built up to that 190 from 135 due to very long work hours and poor diet is why I lost the weight that I did to get to 135, coach was a pro and formulated everything to get me where I was

Your coach is a clown for letting a 22 year old that weighs as much as my gym bag run over a gram.



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[buffal0billy]

@TomJ you don’t even look that big man I’m short so for my height I look well put together, and it worked for me, and a clown for what reason? About maintaining a natural test production? Come on! You run any 19nor which I planned to do regardless, it’s gonna shut you down. I’m not not claiming to be right or wrong here, everyone’s journey/opinion is different, this worked for me, and continues to work, and through using PEDs, I have learned a lot about maintains homeostasis within my body, all my blood work is good, EKG came back great, fertility is still decent by using hcg, I don’t see why so many people have a problem with a journey like mine, I’m not some naive kid, I make sure my health is in check, know how to diet, and know what to watch for and how to keep my hormones in check. But whatever’s clever bro, if you wanna get on the forum and bully someone you believe is a kid for shits and giggles, be my guest. I’m 23 and own a home, am engaged, about to be in med school, maintain my health and wellness, so I see no issue with anything I’m doing.

 

[TomJ]

@TomJ you don’t even look that big man I’m short so for my height I look well put together, and it worked for me, and a clown for what reason? About maintaining a natural test production? Come on! You run any 19nor which I planned to do regardless, it’s gonna shut you down. I’m not not claiming to be right or wrong here, everyone’s journey/opinion is different, this worked for me, and continues to work, and through using PEDs, I have learned a lot about maintains homeostasis within my body, all my blood work is good, EKG came back great, fertility is still decent by using hcg, I don’t see why so many people have a problem with a journey like mine, I’m not some naive kid, I make sure my health is in check, know how to diet, and know what to watch for and how to keep my hormones in check. But whatever’s clever bro, if you wanna get on the forum and bully someone you believe is a kid for shits and giggles, be my guest. I’m 23 and own a home, am engaged, about to be in med school, maintain my health and wellness, so I see no issue with anything I’m doing.

i would think some kid going into medical school would be able to wrap his head around why using heavier cycles than i do in contest prep is bad for their development. but i guess its already too late for you.

its not bullying man, this is harm reduction, you were far too young to be starting and running far too much for your size and experience level.
instead of being defensive maybe listen instead.

 

[buffal0billy]

@TomJ well you came off as rude at first and you’re not really that jacked, and I was naive when I started at 20 because I trusted my coach and I was getting the results I wanted, I did my homework on everything and always do even before getting on any medications from the doc (already have extensive pharm knowledge) but I understand harm reduction, my test is crashed and that’s about the only negative thing that came from when I was just trusting my coach, I now know my body and monitor all my blood work pre/mid/post cycle, I have to go on trt because a pct is of no use at this point, but that’s okay. I’m fine and happy with the decisions I have made so far, and am very pleased with becoming so in-tune with my body through using gear/training/dieting accordingly, I am not prone to sides, I never push ridiculous doses now, my bp is kept in check along with my lipids. As of right now I practice excellent harm reduction, also under the supervision of a doctor to aid in harm reduction. I have listened, I asked for advice on my cycle not a lecture and people opinions. People tend to have these opinions that are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum about gear, people don’t take into consideration or want to believe I have put in a lot of time into educating myself about harm reduction and have had enough time for some trial and error