How bad do you feel when coming off completely?

[mountaincitysea]

I know this will vary greatly depending on a number of factors, but how bad is coming off PEDs entirely if you make use of a PCT?

I plan on starting 200mg/week Test C for 6 months to a year, but will eventually have to come off for a while due to military obligations. This will be my first time using PEDs and I plan on using it as a self-administered "TRT+" protocol.

I will have time to PCT, so I plan on hcg and clomid/enclomiphene (preferably enclo if I can source it). What can I expect during the PCT phase, and immediately after once I come off of everything completely?

Anecdotally, people seem to say they just returned to their natural baseline, but has anyone experiened any negative symptoms or a subjectively worse experience after having been on gear/TRT for months at a time? I'm curious on what peoples' experiences are or any advice you might have for my particular situation.

 

[GreatGunz]

Your first step is getting bloods done.Do u know where your natural are?
It matters!
Why are you self prescribing “trt “?

Have you done your research?

A proper pct done correctly you should feel fine!

 

[mountaincitysea]

Your first step is getting bloods done.Do u know where your natural are?
It matters!
Why are you self prescribing “trt “?

Have you done your research?

A proper pct done correctly you should feel fine!

Yes I have a history of my natural bloodwork! I made a post in the newbie forum detailing my background. I'll also be getting some fresh bloodwork this weekend before I start. I'm self perscribing because I show lots of symptoms and have a history of producing very low T levels for my age.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Yes I have a history of my natural bloodwork! I made a post in the newbie forum detailing my background. I'll also be getting some fresh bloodwork this weekend before I start. I'm self perscribing because I show lots of symptoms and have a history of producing very low T levels for my age.

In your case and situation you’re going to feel terrible. You already have low testosterone so a PCT, if done properly, will best case return you back to your low numbers.

With your natural levels suppressed for a year, it’ll be hard to even recover to your current levels.

This entire idea is bad. Go to a real doctor to inquire about TRT. It’s prescribed so you should have access to it even when you are deployed. They’ll likely prescribe testosterone cream or do the pellets. This would be a more preferable route.

 

[Yano]

come ... off ... completely ....

is that even legal ? ...

 

[mountaincitysea]

In your case and situation you’re going to feel terrible. You already have low testosterone so a PCT, if done properly, will best case return you back to your low numbers.

With your natural levels suppressed for a year, it’ll be hard to even recover to your current levels.

This entire idea is bad. Go to a real doctor to inquire about TRT. It’s prescribed so you should have access to it even when you are deployed. They’ll likely prescribe testosterone cream or do the pellets. This would be a more preferable route.

Would it really be that bad if I gave myself enough time to do a proper PCT? I guess I'm not clear on what it's like to "return to baseline". My baseline definitely isn't ideal but it's liveable - are you implying a high chance of being WORSE off after PCTing?

Just from what I've read across forums and on reddit it seems like most guys return to their natural state pretty easily, sometimes without even a PCT. Especially when getting off of a TRT dose.

Without going into too much detail about my job/branch going the legit route just isn't an option for a number of reasons, unless I wanted to ruin my career. I wish I could elaborate more but for the sake of anonymity you'll just have to take my word for it. I do appreciate the input though.

 

[mountaincitysea]

come ... off ... completely ....

is that even legal ? ...

A blasphemous concept, I know...

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Would it really be that bad if I gave myself enough time to do a proper PCT? I guess I'm not clear on what it's like to "return to baseline". My baseline definitely isn't ideal but it's liveable - are you implying a high chance of being WORSE off after PCTing?

Just from what I've read across forums and on reddit it seems like most guys return to their natural state pretty easily, sometimes without even a PCT. Especially when getting off of a TRT dose.

Without going into too much detail about my job/branch going the legit route just isn't an option for a number of reasons, unless I wanted to ruin my career. I wish I could elaborate more but for the sake of anonymity you'll just have to take my word for it. I do appreciate the input though.

Low or high dose doesn’t matter. It’s the length of time on that matters more.

You could take 100 mg/week and it still suppresses your natural testosterone. 1,000 mg/week doesn’t suppress it 10x harder. It’s the same.

If your natural levels are low irl, you will feel really good ON the 200 mg/week dose and then you won’t feel any different when you go off than you do now, but compared to being ON it will feel bad. Your “gains” will disappear too.

It’s a bad idea. This is why you aren’t a doctor.

If you legitimately have low testosterone then get a prescription. No matter what job you have. They will recognize that you have a prescription. You aren’t doing anything wrong this way.

 

[tankeray]

I know this will vary greatly depending on a number of factors, but how bad is coming off PEDs entirely if you make use of a PCT?

I plan on starting 200mg/week Test C for 6 months to a year, but will eventually have to come off for a while due to military obligations. This will be my first time using PEDs and I plan on using it as a self-administered "TRT+" protocol.

I will have time to PCT, so I plan on hcg and clomid/enclomiphene (preferably enclo if I can source it). What can I expect during the PCT phase, and immediately after once I come off of everything completely?

Anecdotally, people seem to say they just returned to their natural baseline, but has anyone experiened any negative symptoms or a subjectively worse experience after having been on gear/TRT for months at a time? I'm curious on what peoples' experiences are or any advice you might have for my particular situation.

My results may vary from other people but I also have had low natural T since I have been tracking that has ranged from 250 to 340 and I have had to come off numerous times.
PCT or not, you will likely feel shitty in the gym and lose gains no matter how hard you try not to.
My PCT usually consiststed of nolvadex and clomid the first 2 or 3 weeks off if I remember correctly. A few times I added HCG for the last 2 weeks of my cycle and the first week off cycle.
Some people do not consider HCG part of PCT and I can say it didn't make a difference for me in how I felt. For about two months I felt shitty and was overly emotional (during and after PCT with our without HCG). I would get upset and sad over the most stupid shit.

Without PCT I still felt shitty in the gym but I was not nearly as emotional as I was when I did PCT following cessation. Seems strange but that was my experience. With or without PCT it took about 2 months for me to start feeling better in the gym.

 

[Big-paul]

Like from superman to Clark Kent. It sucks but you have to do it.

 

[Big-paul]

My results may vary from other people but I also have had low natural T since I have been tracking that has ranged from 250 to 340 and I have had to come off numerous times.
PCT or not, you will likely feel shitty in the gym and lose gains no matter how hard you try not to.
My PCT usually consiststed of nolvadex and clomid the first 2 or 3 weeks off if I remember correctly. A few times I added HCG for the last 2 weeks of my cycle and the first week off cycle.
Some people do not consider HCG part of PCT and I can say it didn't make a difference for me in how I felt. For about two months I felt shitty and was overly emotional (during and after PCT with our without HCG). I would get upset and sad over the most stupid shit.

Without PCT I still felt shitty in the gym but I was not nearly as emotional as I was when I did PCT following cessation. Seems strange but that was my experience. With or without PCT it took about 2 months for me to start feeling better in the gym.

I get the blues from clomid, but if it helps you recover do it.

Nothing about coming of a cycle, especially a long one feels good.

 

[Determined]

Last time I did it hardly any libido, def more notably tired, and even the muscles in my feet were sore lol

 

[Big-paul]

Really really bad. That's why I never did it. That's what pct is for, and when you no longer want to do that, you start trt.

You just have to consider whether or not you will always have access to a vile of test and a syringe.

 

[Yano]

Before there was pct .. it was normal to just end a cycle keep working out but going to find other things to do , you played ball , swam , softball in a summer league ... and after a few weeks of feeling like crap it was all ok

 

[JoelR314]

I came off TRT , 70mg wk, the first year or the pandemic and lost muscle but otherwise didn't notice much. Several years on TRT before that.

Since then have done some long test cycles from 150-300mg. Put on a decent amount of size because 70mg keeps me around 700 ng/dl.
125 puts me "0ver 1500".
So 300, much higher. Good gains for just a lifter, not bodybuilder. But because it's TRT I can't ask for estrogen blockers from the doc. When I have an appointment I come back to normal levels. So by the time I come off or go to normal TRT , the estrogen sides are starting to become annoying. You can get away with many months of test but eventually your body figures out how to increase estrogen to maintain balance.

So it's nice to have the sides like water retention in ankles completely go away. But I feel psychologically awful. Completely terrible. John Haack said the same in an interview, 12 on , 12 off. He said it isn't for people who hate depression or cannot handle dark times.

Graig Jones said he came off 500mg for 1 year and felt really bad for a while.
I have to really push myself to go to the gym and hate losing my physique. The intra-muscular water and fluid loss is really noticeable, right away. Getting a pump and taking off my sweatshirt and being like "holy crap, what happened?".
I don't know how to get an estrogen blocker but I have to figure it out for next time. It seems I get the estrogen sides much quicker now. Sore nipples, water retention, loss of sex drive. I have trouble taking long enough rests. I get my bloodwork back to normal and am too eager to start up.

TRT now in some states is you get 200mg single dose vials every week. Draw what you need from it and throw the rest out.