Israel / Hamas Conflict

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

That's a big part of it.



It makes us easier to hate.



Definitely these two.



Me too. But then again, I look Russian/Slavic enough that I've been approached in public and asked if I speak Russian.



Why wouldn't you feel safe in the Gulf Arab countries like Qatar and UAE?

They are far safer than our own country.

I should have specified the “Arab countries where terrorist organizations are located” like Syria, Iraq, Iran.

Hey, while we talk about those countries, why don’t THEY offer to take in the “innocent” Palestinians from Gaza?

It’s because they don’t want them either. Gaza elected Hamas to be in power. They all knew exactly what that meant.

 

[Diesel59]

I should have specified the “Arab countries where terrorist organizations are located” like Syria, Iraq, Iran.

Ok, that makes sense.

Hey, while we talk about those countries, why don’t THEY offer to take in the “innocent” Palestinians from Gaza?

It’s because they don’t want them either. Gaza elected Hamas to be in power. They all knew exactly what that meant.

That's not the main reason why.

It's because letting them in is admission that a Palestinian state will never happen. It's essentially giving the green light to Israel to cleanse Gaza and build a whole new swath of settlements there.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Ok, that makes sense.



That's not the main reason why.

It's because letting them in is admission that a Palestinian state will never happen. It's essentially giving the green light to Israel to cleanse Gaza and build a whole new swath of settlements there.

Ahhh. Ok.

Hey, when’s Israel going to start this “cleansing” it’s been a couple weeks hasn’t it? Perhaps they are flexing so that the hostages are released? Maybe Israel isn’t going to actually flatten Gaza?

 

[Diesel59]

Ahhh. Ok.

Hey, when’s Israel going to start this “cleansing” it’s been a couple weeks hasn’t it? Perhaps they are flexing so that the hostages are released?

My point was that if Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. take in 2 million Palestinian refugees then they will be just like the refugees from 1967 or any other time.

They will never return to Palestine.

Maybe Israel isn’t going to actually flatten Gaza?

Israel is already flattening Gaza, and a land invasion could be launched any day now.

We will have to wait and see how this all plays out.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

My point was that if Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. take in 2 million Palestinian refugees then they will be just like the refugees from 1967 or any other time.

They will never return to Palestine.




Israel is already flattening Gaza, and a land invasion could be launched any day now.

We will have to wait and see how this all plays out.

Yep. Any day now…. Ahhhneeee daaaaaay…

Hasn’t that been said for 2 weeks? Are they really still bombing? Cause just as quickly as those first scenes burst out in the media, there doesn’t appear to be nearly as much coverage recently.

 

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

Which Arab countries have little to no government? Other than Palestine, and countries recovering from years of internal conflict (Iraq, Yemen, Syria), I can't think of where this applies.

Which Arab countries have Westerners getting slaughtered in the streets?

Of 191 countries in the UN Human Development Index:
Algeria 91
Afghanistan 180
Bahrain 35
Comoros 156
Djibouti 171
Egypt 111
Iraq 121
Jordan 102
Kuwait 50
Lebanon 112
Libya 104
Mauritania 158
Morocco 123
Oman 54
Palestinian territories 106
Qatar 42
Saudi Arabia 35
Somalia (not ranked, lol)
Sudan 191
Syria 150
Tunisia 97
United Arab Emirates 26
Yemen 183

Well there's 6 countries that you might not get fucking murdered in. The United States is considered #21 on this chart, and Israel is #22.

A fun statistic to run here, is that the average ranking of the Human Development index for Arab Nations is #112.5652 out of 191 countries. I counted Somalia and Sudan both as 191 because Somalia was not listed, and, well...

So, you were saying what again?

 

[Diesel59]

Yep. Any day now…. Ahhhneeee daaaaaay…

Hasn’t that been said for 2 weeks? Are they really still bombing? Cause just as quickly as those first scenes burst out in the media, there doesn’t appear to be nearly as much coverage recently.

They've actually ramped up the bombing in recent days:

Gaza: More casualties as Israeli airstrikes intensify – DW – 10/23/2023

Scores of Palestinians were killed on Sunday as Israel intensified its bombardment of Gaza. Observers warn that more aid is needed faster as over 60% of the enclave's population is now displaced — heeding Israel's request for civilians to move south.

www.dw.com

 

[Diesel59]

Of 191 countries in the UN Human Development Index:
Algeria 91
Afghanistan 180
Bahrain 35
Comoros 156
Djibouti 171
Egypt 111
Iraq 121
Jordan 102
Kuwait 50
Lebanon 112
Libya 104
Mauritania 158
Morocco 123
Oman 54
Palestinian territories 106
Qatar 42
Saudi Arabia 35
Somalia (not ranked, lol)
Sudan 191
Syria 150
Tunisia 97
United Arab Emirates 26
Yemen 183

I never said these countries had a high standard of living or great economic prospects.

I was addressing your assertion that they are lawless places without proper governments. It's two different discussions.

Well there's 6 countries that you might not get fucking murdered in. The United States is considered #21 on this chart.

What does this list have to do with not getting murdered?

If that's the case, Russia can be a dangerous country and so can South Africa. But they both definitely have government.

A fun statistic to run here, is that the average ranking of the Human Development index for Arab Nations is #112.5652 out of 191 countries. I counted Somalia and Sudan both as 191 because Somalia was not listed, and, well...

Somalia is not commonly considered an Arab country and Afghanistan is most definitely not an Arab country, but ok.

So, you were saying what again?

Something completely different from what you're talking about, I guess.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

They've actually ramped up the bombing in recent days:

Gaza: More casualties as Israeli airstrikes intensify – DW – 10/23/2023

Scores of Palestinians were killed on Sunday as Israel intensified its bombardment of Gaza. Observers warn that more aid is needed faster as over 60% of the enclave's population is now displaced — heeding Israel's request for civilians to move south.

www.dw.com

This isn’t specific to the source you posted. It’s how I look at any source of info. How do they define “scores” and who are “observers”? Never mind the timeframe of “intensifies”. Is that since day one? Or is that generally? Or is that after a one day dip or lull?

I wish media would be more specific.

 

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

I was addressing your assertion that they are lawless places without proper governments.

You really going to look me in the screen and say that these countries have governments that aren't a gust of wind away from collapse?

Somalia is considered Arab League
I guess you're technically correct about. Afghanistan, though I'd be hard pressed to say it doesn't fit. I'll cede this one though.

 

[Yano]

Maybe their hatred is because of our support for Israel.

Or maybe it’s our western lifestyle.

Maybe it’s our stupid attitude.

Maybe it’s because we drop bombs on them for oil.

As an American, I’d feel SAFE deep inside Russia right now. I wouldn’t say that at all about Gaza or ANYWHERE in the Arab world.

So support the guys that would slit your throat in a heartbeat. See where that gets you.

I dont think its so much of our support for israel but our creation of israel right ?

Most of the Jews had headed north by then from all the previous conflicts or just plain old common sense ,, why live in a desert there's forrest just a bit north of here. Like Poland where the largest Jewish centers were prior to WW2.

Israel's only 75 years old right ,, I mean there are still folks alive that were displaced at its creation that are still pissed off about it.

Just my opinion and it might not be popular but ....

*takes a deep breath ...

The Jews didn't need a home land after WW2 , they needed to be returned to their homes and their land and not dumped back in the desert surrounded by folks that hate them for it through no fault of their own.

It would make sense if Israel got together with the Muslim and Arab nations and said look ,, we didnt want to be here either ... why you mad at us ? ,,, blame England and America and all the anti-semetic nations that wouldnt let us go home and reclaim our rightful property and homes.

 

[Send0]

Of 191 countries in the UN Human Development Index:
Algeria 91
Afghanistan 180
Bahrain 35
Comoros 156
Djibouti 171
Egypt 111
Iraq 121
Jordan 102
Kuwait 50
Lebanon 112
Libya 104
Mauritania 158
Morocco 123
Oman 54
Palestinian territories 106
Qatar 42
Saudi Arabia 35
Somalia (not ranked, lol)
Sudan 191
Syria 150
Tunisia 97
United Arab Emirates 26
Yemen 183

Well there's 6 countries that you might not get fucking murdered in. The United States is considered #21 on this chart, and Israel is #22.

A fun statistic to run here, is that the average ranking of the Human Development index for Arab Nations is #112.5652 out of 191 countries. I counted Somalia and Sudan both as 191 because Somalia was not listed, and, well...

So, you were saying what again?

for reference, I've been to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, and Tunisia and did not feel unsafe in the least.

I don't think being on that list is a guarantee that something is going to happen to you. It's like assuming you're going to have your organs harvested if you visit a poor latin American country... reality doesn't always reflect whatever stick something is being measured against.

 

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

I don't think being on that list is a guarantee that something is going to happen to you.

Neither do I, but I wouldn't necessarily suggest it either.

Care for a trip to Chicago?

 

[Diesel59]

This isn’t specific to the source you posted. It’s how I look at any source of info. How do they define “scores” and who are “observers”? Never mind the timeframe of “intensifies”. Is that since day one? Or is that generally? Or is that after a one day dip or lull?

I wish media would be more specific.

I agree. I guess this is their way of sensationalizing it for clicks.

The death toll has reached 5,000 in Gaza.

You really going to look me in the screen and say that these countries have governments that aren't a gust of wind away from collapse?

Not even Assad's government has collapsed after 12 years of civil war. You could say that is only because of Russia and Iran saving his ass, but if Syria's government is still fighting off the Arab spring all these years later I don't buy into many of these others being at risk.

Somalia is considered Arab League

Fair enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_Arab_League

I guess you're technically correct about. Afghanistan, though I'd be hard pressed to say it doesn't fit. I'll cede this one though.

I think they are thought of that way because of relatively recent events.

Ethnically speaking, Afghans are closer to Iranians and Turkic peoples of central Asia than Arabs.

 

[Send0]

Neither do I, but I wouldn't necessarily suggest it either.

Care for a trip to Chicago?

Sure, I'll go to that shit hole any day of the week .

 

[Yano]

for reference, I've been to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, and Tunisia and did not feel unsafe in the least.

I don't think being on that list is a guarantee that something is going to happen to you. It's like assuming you're going to have your organs harvested if you visit a poor latin American country... reality doesn't always reflect whatever stick something is being measured against.

Dude no shit , Puerto Rico felt sketchier than Morocco.

 

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

Ethnically speaking, Afghans are closer to Iranians and Turkic peoples of central Asia than Arabs.

I had considered them the same, considering that both Iranians and Turks are typically on board with genocides - or have comitted them in the past/present. Seemed to fit.

 

[Yano]

Sure, I'll go to that shit hole any day of the week .

I got family in that shit hole LOL and around it.

 

[Yano]

I had considered them the same, considering that both Iranians and Turks are typically on board with genocides - or have comitted them in the past/present. Seemed to fit.

You seem really hung up on this perception that only muslims or arabs commit genocide .... uhh ... have some facts.

List of genocides - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JeffGoldblumLips]

The position where they bombed the shit out of Israel on the Jewish New Year and shot up a music festival?

Yea ok but I have it on very good authority that the Js did 911 so...what about that huh?