New here, mixing mma with gear

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I've used gear for amature freestyle wrestling and boxing myself and experimented a little

The advice you got is spot on, mast isn't going to do much for performance or water retention

If you get tested, testosterone propionate is probably the best thing you could use. Alot of bodybuilder guys here, but unlike them, we're not looking for mass or definition but endurance and strength

There is nothing better than good old fashioned testosterone for this. Augmented with some peptides when cutting to weight, I don't think alot of fancy gear can do much better than those simple compounds, and stopping them a week before a test is easy to pass a ped test

The only downside is being a pin cushion...daily shots and keeping estrogen in check. Because like @snake Very correctly said, water retention is about controlling estrogen more than anything else and testosterone propionate is more than enough to boost your test into the adequate amounts without fancy cocktails

and @CJ is correct. Mast won't help you for what you're trying to do. It's more for cosmetic than anything else and there's no reason for it really in your situation

At 205 you're as big as you want to be, so there's no reason for tren or eq either.

It's just training, diet and testosterone at this point.
Test Ace and Test PP as well, Ace is hard to find and can be painful.

TPP vs TP is just is like a day or day and a half.

Seeming why he wants to use it I'd go TPP.

I've seen a fighter out of AKA train with pip, wasn't fun for him.

TPP injects M/W/F and still pretty quick out of his system.

I couldn't get the fighter to listen to me, he insisted on Test Ace and quad shots.
 

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Test Ace and Test PP as well, Ace is hard to find and can be painful.

TPP vs TP is just is like a day or day and a half.

Seeming why he wants to use it I'd go TPP.

I've seen a fighter out of AKA train with pip, wasn't fun for him.

TPP injects M/W/F and still pretty quick out of his system.

I couldn't get the fighter to listen to me, he insisted on Test Ace and quad shots.

More good advice ^

Op doesn't want, or need big bulging biceps with veins showing for he's trying to do

He came to the right place
 

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More good advice ^

Op doesn't want, or need big bulging biceps with veins showing for he's trying to do

He came to the right place
Biggest fighters out of AKA I'm aware of is Daniel Cormier and Cain Velasquez, neither is jacked.

I was still at the end of my powerlifting around 260lb to 255lb when I started training boxing skills, the hardest part of it all was moving around all that muscle, especially sparing.

There is a reason heavyweights like George Foreman, walked around the ring vs dance lol.
 
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One more question, what's your height and reach?
Arm length and shoulder/hip circumference?

Do you prefer to grapple or strike?

Are your legs long with a shorter torso, or a long torso with short legs?

All of this makes a difference.

Do you like to kick high? Are your legs even capable and conditioned?
Thanks for the advice this is all great info,
I'm 6ft1 with a 75 in reach, stylistically I'm more of a wrestler/boxer as I've never had great leg flexibility and am still pretty new to bjj submissions. My goal is generally to set up a takedown with strikes and maintain top control and to get a stoppage from strikes

My legs are a bit longer then my torso but not significantly so

My legs are decently conditioned from check drills kicking the bag, but they're not a huge part of my game.
 
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They don't test, then it's on them. In BBing and PLing, it called an open meet or competition.

I just have an issue with someone who's trying to beat the system and cheat someone.

Ok here's my suggestion; Go easy on the test and get your E2 checked about 4-5 weeks in. High estrogen can hold some water. Keep the test around 300- 400 and run it for a min of 12 weeks, 16 is better. Add an AI if your E2 is out of range.

As for orals, Winny or Var will serve you well. 50mg/day is plenty for 4-5 weeks. Time the oral when you want to peak.

Lastly, stay away from tren. It's notorious for crushing cardio.
Sounds very solid. I've heard alot about anavar being one of the better compounds for sport performance. Will post bloods when I get them done. Probably won't ever touch tren, it seems gnarly from everything I've read so far
 
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For athletic purposes, low doses go a long way for performance goals.
Keeping sides to a minimum is pretty important for my training so I don't ever plan on using anything too crazy or significantly high dosages. My first cycle was great, no significant sides and felt locked in the whole time
 

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Keeping sides to a minimum is pretty important for my training so I don't ever plan on using anything too crazy or significantly high dosages. My first cycle was great, no significant sides and felt locked in the whole time

I'm nitpicking, but there are no side effects, there are only effects. Some you may want, others you may not. What you might consider an unwanted "side effect", others may be looking fur that exact effect. Water retention is a good example of one.

Again, I'm nitpicking. Ignore my rant. 😂
 
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I'm nitpicking, but there are no side effects, there are only effects. Some you may want, others you may not. What you might consider an unwanted "side effect", others may be looking fur that exact effect. Water retention is a good example of one.

Again, I'm nitpicking. Ignore my rant. 😂
Fair enough lol that's a good way of looking at it
 

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I'm nitpicking, but there are no side effects, there are only effects. Some you may want, others you may not. What you might consider an unwanted "side effect", others may be looking fur that exact effect. Water retention is a good example of one.

Again, I'm nitpicking. Ignore my rant. 😂
Viagra was developed for high BP but men were reporting better wood. Side effect or effect, I'll let that up to the nitpickers. 😂
 

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Biggest fighters out of AKA I'm aware of is Daniel Cormier and Cain Velasquez, neither is jacked.

I was still at the end of my powerlifting around 260lb to 255lb when I started training boxing skills, the hardest part of it all was moving around all that muscle, especially sparing.

There is a reason heavyweights like George Foreman, walked around the ring vs dance lol.
I was still playing football when I was studying monkey style at 258 ... chest burned trying to get air in me like I was having an asthma attack
 

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Thanks for the advice this is all great info,
I'm 6ft1 with a 75 in reach, stylistically I'm more of a wrestler/boxer as I've never had great leg flexibility and am still pretty new to bjj submissions. My goal is generally to set up a takedown with strikes and maintain top control and to get a stoppage from strikes

My legs are a bit longer then my torso but not significantly so

My legs are decently conditioned from check drills kicking the bag, but they're not a huge part of my game.

Your frame is big enough to hold alot of weight. Depending on your arm length accounting for your reach or the width of your shoulders 205 is about as big as your going to want to compete. Maybe even consider cutting down IF it becomes more than just a hobby

You don't need alot of gear, you just need to lean out and get stronger
 
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