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My next blood will be the 300 an 50 panel to see what's happening. And i agree nothing wrong with o6 just as if it's not too much. I know I needed to back off more of the red meat and have more fish.

Still won't be of much value without baseline bloodwork of only 300 Test.

You changed TWO variables.
 
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You are right, I would have like to see what just the 300 did. But I didn't want to crush e. Anyway it would good to see what it would be anyway. I plan on staying on this adventure as long as possible. And hitting extremely high numbers is not the plan on any number. And have feeling that will have to come down. Thank you again. I appreciate your advice and time.
 

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Because. We all want more right? Honestly I will probably back down to the 150 range. And chill then run up again. Personally self experiment is the only way to know what one can do or handle. This is evolution at its simplest. Hay if you eat that mushroom you die but this ones good. How do you know? Someone found out and they pass the knowledge their buddy died. I don't feel I'm being reckless. Just making educational guesses based on some data and feel of my body. As I see no real clear answers. Just a ton of questions.
No, many of us want to be dialed in for our health before we move on to slamming drugs.

Also, more is not always more. Doing shit without understanding what you're doing is the definition of reckless.

Your analogy is also ridiculous. Comparing apples to oranges, so you can justify reckless behavior.
 

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Dude got sides, decided that throwing more drugs at it was the answer instead of backing down to his original dose. Now has some BP issues, still kind of plays it off as a non.issue.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but your "experiment" is ridiculous without understanding what your baseline levels should be. In your original post you mention needing to drop fat, you should focus on that instead of throwing more drugs at your body.

Also, you didn't gain 20lbs of muscle. You mostly gained 20lbs of glycogen and water. That's how testosterone works when you first start using it. The weight gain you're seeing is mostly superficial.
 

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welcome to the board , stick around and get knowledge from all the experts on here, they have a lot of great info.
 
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No, many of us want to be dialed in for our health before we move on to slamming drugs.

Also, more is not also more. Doing shit without understanding what you're doing is the definition of reckless.

Your analogy is also ridiculous. Comparing apples to oranges, so you can justify reckless behavior.
So that's the thing, everyone needs to be smart right? I'm trying my best but with out knowing I had high bp before and got down to a point of coming off the bp drugs, getting my health as good as possible before this. I couldn't make a weight loss or feel good at this point. And finally, taking to t as the answer. And you are probably right that it is glycogen. But that has increased the size of my traps and chest and bi's and thighs. And if my blood work checks out. Where to go from here? I know I'll be making that choice off the next set of blood work that probably will be messed up a bit and require adjustments down. But that said I'm probably sure you are not an endocrinologist or an MD. Like me and are learning as well. And an educated guess is not reckless as my analogy. But putting it in simple terms. Yeah I have had to deal with a lot of negative feedback from my primary that I'm fine at 250 to 390. Yeah maybe I push it a bit, but I still feel it's not out of being dumb about it as a gym, bro. And I have made this decision and lose plan over that last to year's. But I appreciate a check. As really no one else really has said that it's reckless. As you're take on it.
 
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You were around 900 at 150/week. You went to 300 and added primo. When you go get bloods, they're gonna be like wtf and back you down cause ur shit is gonna be at like 1500. Bad move.
 
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You were around 900 at 150/week. You went to 300 and added primo. When you go get bloods, they're gonna be like wtf and back you down cause ur shit is gonna be at like 1500. Bad move.
I am doing this on my own. They said I was fine at the bottom. And wouldn't help. So I have been studying on this as much as I can. I will be doing private testing on this next one.
 

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I am doing this on my own. They said I was fine at the bottom. And wouldn't help. So I have been studying on this as much as I can. I will be doing private testing on this next one.

Now you're trying to justify running a cycle by blaming your Dr.

You don't have to make excuses, you're a grown man. If you want to run a cycle, then run a cycle. But you're in the wrong room if you think that you'll convince any of us that what you did was for health reasons. 🤣🤣🤣

If you want TRUE trt, drop back to 100 mg/week, taking as 50 mg twice per week. You almost certainly won't have any estrogen issues, and your T levels should be around 600 ng/dl.
 
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I am not blaming my doctor at all. I asked multiple times he shut down at the thought. I understand why, I wanted to bust through. You bet your ass this ++ is my choice and I don't regret it. And I want to make the most of it for myself not anyone else!
 

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I am not blaming my doctor at all. I asked multiple times he shut down at the thought. I understand why, I wanted to bust through. You bet your ass this ++ is my choice and I don't regret it. And I want to make the most of it for myself not anyone else!

No issues with that, just do it right. Not everything has to be an experiment, listen to those who've traveled the path before you.

We learn from trial and error, and from knowledge that's passed down.
 
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That's why I am hear, I have already learned a lot. I appreciate it very much. Because the information that is floating around is just crazy, in respect to what people are saying they do, isn't going to work for anything but a bs story. Because it would kill an elephant. And looking through stuff for most the night. I have a lot more to consider. And more questions!
 

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I am doing this on my own. They said I was fine at the bottom. And wouldn't help. So I have been studying on this as much as I can. I will be doing private testing on this next one.
And how many doctors did you see before you decided to take matters into your own hands?
 
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And how many doctors did you see before you decided to take matters into your own hands?
3 doctors over the last 4 years, still keeping my primary as one of. One doctor just wanted to throw anti depression and pain killers, I be it, at a young age would have been cool with but that wasn't a solution long term or fit my life. I don't have depression. Never thought or feel down like what I have seen in others.
 
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How did you know that?
I am not certain of what you are asking. How did I know what? That I need to alter my diet? I based off earlier blood work, looking at triglycerides and hdl and ldl to an extent. And knowing it reduces inflammation if o3 and o6 are more balanced than a normal American diet.
 

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I'd personally try adding Primo or Mast before using an AI or SERM. If I'm going to add in a drug to offset estrogen, I might as well use something that helps me grow.

Another option is to use less of the high aromatizing compounds.
I'm with cj. Get blood work before anything is injected. Trt test at say 200mg a week. Then after two months compair bloods. If their test is still a little low but their estrogen has gone up give 100mg of premo a go for 8 weeks. Then look at the bloods again. If they are still going in the wrong direction then it is an ai.

Just the same I was lucky I did the trial and error through an endocrinologist. That is the best. Self medication is a very last resort.

My father in law hates me. He asked me to set him up with trt. I gave him 2 grams of ment a week for 8 weeks. He has better tits than my wife now. I got it sorted.

Sarcasm aside. Don't self medicate. Ever.

No offense cj or send0. Just looking for a laugh in an intro that is way to serious for intro.
 
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I am not certain of what you are asking. How did I know what? That I need to alter my diet? I based off earlier blood work, looking at triglycerides and hdl and ldl to an extent. And knowing it reduces inflammation if o3 and o6 are more balanced than a normal American diet.
I was specifically referring to the red meat.
 
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I'm with cj. Get blood work before anything is injected. Trt test at say 200mg a week. Then after two months compair bloods. If their test is still a little low but their estrogen has gone up give 100mg of premo a go for 8 weeks. Then look at the bloods again. If they are still going in the wrong direction then it is an ai.

Just the same I was lucky I did the trial and error through an endocrinologist. That is the best. Self medication is a very last resort.

My father in law hates me. He asked me to set him up with trt. I gave him 2 grams of ment a week for 8 weeks. He has better tits than my wife now. I got it sorted.

Sarcasm aside. Don't self medicate. Ever.

No offense cj or send0. Just looking for a laugh in an intro that is way to serious for intro.
Giving your father in law bitch tit's is funny, I appreciate your honesty and insights. 10 days to new labs, definitely interested in seeing what's going on. And really at some point I do need to find someone who specializes in bloodworm in this respect.
 
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