Newb looking for advice

[Biggershirt30]

Good to meet you all. I’ll describe myself briefly before I ask for advice so you have an idea.

30 year old male. 5’9”. Weighing about 185-190 pounds, up from 160. Good friend of mine is a member on here and is very knowledgeable. He recommended me join to meet even better folks to get even better advice, which is what he did.

He had me stick to an actual diet plan and a workout plan for 6 months before helping me run a test only cycle. I ran it for 16 weeks and followed my pct just as he said. It was great. I gained about 12 pounds on test only. After pct I lost 3-4 (weighing every morning same time after pissing).

After staying off for 20 weeks I ran a sust, deca, dbol cycle for 10 weeks. Stayed on just sust for 2 and than switched to test p and tren ace for 4 week finish to cut back the water weight and fat I had gained from the cycle. I lost about 14 pounds of weight which dropped me back to about 187 give or take a few pounds. Now I’m currently taking hcg and nolvadex for pct again.

My question is what would you take off cycle to continue burning fat. Where I used to have a nice “6-pack” my bottom two abs are hidden under a layer of fat. What would you recommend diet wise to bridge to next cycle?
How much nolvadex do you guys recommend and for how long for this pct.

Also I will have my bloods done a few weeks after pct is finished.

 

[eazy]

What makes you choose to pct if you are going to run another cycle?

eca, caffeine, yohimbine, clen, dnp.

I don't recommend taking any of those to lose weight.

Cardio and calorie deficit is all it takes.

 

[Biggershirt30]

What makes you choose to pct if you are going to run another cycle?

eca, caffeine, yohimbine, clen, dnp.

I don't recommend taking any of those to lose weight.

Cardio and calorie deficit is all it takes.

I don’t want to run another cycle until next winter. How big of a calorie def would you recommend?

 

[Send0]

Good friend of mine is a member on here and is very knowledgeable. He recommended me join to meet even better folks to get even better advice, which is what he did.

Welcome to UGBB.

Which UGBB member do we have to thank for having you join us?

My question is what would you take off cycle to continue burning fat. Where I used to have a nice “6-pack” my bottom two abs are hidden under a layer of fat.

"Burning fat" has nothing to do with drugs. It's about energy expenditure vs caloric intake.

 

[Biggershirt30]

Welcome to UGBB.

Which UGBB member do we have to thank for having you join us?


"Burning fat" has nothing to do with drugs. It's about energy expenditure vs caloric intake.

I don’t know his acct name. I asked him. How big of a caloric deficit would you go to cut? And what diet should I look at to try to not cut muscle as well?

 

[eazy]

How big of a calorie def would you recommend?

how many calories per day and what were the macros for ...

had me stick to an actual diet plan

 

[CJ]

Good to meet you all. I’ll describe myself briefly before I ask for advice so you have an idea.

30 year old male. 5’9”. Weighing about 185-190 pounds, up from 160. Good friend of mine is a member on here and is very knowledgeable. He recommended me join to meet even better folks to get even better advice, which is what he did.

He had me stick to an actual diet plan and a workout plan for 6 months before helping me run a test only cycle. I ran it for 16 weeks and followed my pct just as he said. It was great. I gained about 12 pounds on test only. After pct I lost 3-4 (weighing every morning same time after pissing).

Do you feel like the net 8 lbs that you gained was good, solid, mostly lean muscle weight after the 3-4 lbs drop at the end?

Be honest, there's no shame if not, it's all learning experience. If it was, congrats, that's awesome!!!

After staying off for 20 weeks I ran a sust, deca, dbol cycle for 10 weeks. Stayed on just sust for 2 and than switched to test p and tren ace for 4 week finish to cut back the water weight and fat I had gained from the cycle. I lost about 14 pounds of weight which dropped me back to about 187 give or take a few pounds. Now I’m currently taking hcg and nolvadex for pct again.

So Test only worked well, so you decided to switch shit up? Common mistake, but still a mistake. Especially adding so many new drugs in one run. Knock that shit off!!!

So, after a 16 week cycle, your weight ended up basically exactly the same. Any big changes in body composition? Be honest, again, there's no shame.

How did you feel on Deca? Tren? Oh, and toss Dbol in the trash, it's a junk drug. There are so many better choices, Dbol should never enter your thoughts again.

My question is what would you take off cycle to continue burning fat. Where I used to have a nice “6-pack” my bottom two abs are hidden under a layer of fat. What would you recommend diet wise to bridge to next cycle?
How much nolvadex do you guys recommend and for how long for this pct.

Also I will have my bloods done a few weeks after pct is finished.

Losing fat is all diet, and activity. There are things that will move the needle SLIGHTLY, but honestly, sticking to a solid sensible diet, staying active, training hard, a little cardio, you're good.

In general, I'd go with a 10% reduction in calories from your maintenance level to start. So if 3,000 is maintenence, drop to 2,700. Ride that out as long as you can, then drop another 10%. Do NOT start with a giant deficit, crash dieting is not the path to take.

Another thing, if your maintenance Cals are already pretty low, like say 2,500, then I'd opt for a mix of a smaller calorie reduction, paired with a small bump in cardio, whether it's adding an extra 10 minutes to your sessions, or adding 2,000 steps to your daily target.

 

[Biggershirt30]

Do you feel like the net 8 lbs that you gained was good, solid, mostly lean muscle weight after the 3-4 lbs drop at the end?

Be honest, there's no shame if not, it's all learning experience. If it was, congrats, that's awesome!!!

So Test only worked well, so you decided to switch shit up? Common mistake, but still a mistake. Especially adding so many new drugs in one run. Knock that shit off!!!

So, after a 16 week cycle, your weight ended up basically exactly the same. Any big changes in body composition? Be honest, again, there's no shame.

How did you feel on Deca? Tren? Oh, and toss Dbol in the trash, it's a junk drug. There are so many better choices, Dbol should never enter your thoughts again.

Losing fat is all diet, and activity. There are things that will move the needle SLIGHTLY, but honestly, sticking to a solid sensible diet, staying active, training hard, a little cardio, you're good.

Body comp changed alot in my chest and shoulders. But have to agree with dbol. It made me hold so much water it wasn’t funny. My diet when on cycle was as follows
Protein 330 grams
Carbs 250 grams
Fats 90 grams
3200 calories a day.

I’ll be really honest with you, I stuck to that solid for 5 days a week. 60% of the time 6 days. But rarely 7 days a week. One day a week I was a loser. I train 6 on 2 off as that’s what my work schedule kind of works with.
I will be super honest, I don’t ever wanna take deca again. Paranoia and retroactive jealousy of my wife were rough. Tren is a different story. I felt absolutely amazing. 200 mgs of test p, 75 mgs tren ace eod. Also forgot to mention anavar 50mgs a day. Tren was like a different beast. Trained harder, ate easier, great mood 100% of the time. Only complaint is my libido was almost unbearable. Luckily my wife is very accommodating.

 

[Send0]

I don’t know his acct name. I asked him.

This seems weird, a member sent you but you don't know his name

How big of a caloric deficit would you go to cut?

500cal deficit per day will have you lose 1lb a week. There's no need to have a larger deficit than this until you hit a REAL weight loss plateau. You might even want to start with a lower deficit... Like 300 calories

And what diet should I look at to try to not cut muscle as well?

Geez, you have a member who supposedly helped you but you don't even have the basics down? Okay... Well here's what I recommend, but understand there are many different ways to build an effective diet.

1.25g protein per lb of bodyweight (1g protein= 4 calories)
0.3g fat per lb of bodyweight (1g fat = 9 calories)
Backfill remaining calories with carbs

 

[Rickt]

Do you feel like the net 8 lbs that you gained was good, solid, mostly lean muscle weight after the 3-4 lbs drop at the end?

Be honest, there's no shame if not, it's all learning experience. If it was, congrats, that's awesome!!!

So Test only worked well, so you decided to switch shit up? Common mistake, but still a mistake. Especially adding so many new drugs in one run. Knock that shit off!!!

So, after a 16 week cycle, your weight ended up basically exactly the same. Any big changes in body composition? Be honest, again, there's no shame.

How did you feel on Deca? Tren? Oh, and toss Dbol in the trash, it's a junk drug. There are so many better choices, Dbol should never enter your thoughts again.

Losing fat is all diet, and activity. There are things that will move the needle SLIGHTLY, but honestly, sticking to a solid sensible diet, staying active, training hard, a little cardio, you're good.

In general, I'd go with a 10% reduction in calories from your maintenance level to start. So if 3,000 is maintenence, drop to 2,700. Ride that out as long as you can, then drop another 10%. Do NOT start with a giant deficit, crash dieting is not the path to take.

Another thing, if your maintenance Cals are already pretty low, like say 2,500, then I'd opt for a mix of a smaller calorie reduction, paired with a small bump in cardio, whether it's adding an extra 10 minutes to your sessions, or adding 2,000 steps to your daily target.

There is an hour you will never get back. Hope you were on the phone and doing cardio cj.

 

[Biggershirt30]

you

Sorry i should have explained that. I don’t know what he goes by on this platform. I texted him and asked. He had me sign up today and told me to ask these questions on here as there is a lot of knowledge floating around this. I don’t want to share his actual name on here.

 

[Rickt]

I've been lifting for over thirty years. Drugs should be the last avenue. You don't understand basic diet. You don't understand how to train. You don't understand your body and what is happening.
Cj is amazing. A true book of knowledge. But his advice is wasted if you can't get the basics on your own.
Just an example. Imagine being a learner driver. The first vehicle you learn in is a 4 second top fueler. All you do is crash and burn.
You need to get the basics before looking for more power.
Go back to training naturally. Find a program that works for the amount of time you have and your body type. Learn how food works for you. Get to 200 pounds with visible abbs without supps and then you are ready. Then all that advice cj has will make sense and get you up to 225 pounds with visible abbs. Sorry man. But we all had to learn to crawl before walking.

Sometimes going back and starting properly is a faster way to your goals.
Seriously good luck. I'm still doing stuff wrong and having to go back to the basics.

 

[CJ]

Body comp changed alot in my chest and shoulders. But have to agree with dbol. It made me hold so much water it wasn’t funny. My diet when on cycle was as follows
Protein 330 grams
Carbs 250 grams
Fats 90 grams
3200 calories a day.

I’ll be really honest with you, I stuck to that solid for 5 days a week. 60% of the time 6 days. But rarely 7 days a week. One day a week I was a loser. I train 6 on 2 off as that’s what my work schedule kind of works with.
I will be super honest, I don’t ever wanna take deca again. Paranoia and retroactive jealousy of my wife were rough. Tren is a different story. I felt absolutely amazing. 200 mgs of test p, 75 mgs tren ace eod. Also forgot to mention anavar 50mgs a day. Tren was like a different beast. Trained harder, ate easier, great mood 100% of the time. Only complaint is my libido was almost unbearable. Luckily my wife is very accommodating.

In just your 3rd cycle, you took more drugs than I ever have.

You're going to fuck yourself up.

You're 2nd cycle should've been a repeat of your 1st, maybe a slight bump up if needed, but only like 100 mgs.

Your 3rd, similar. Only add more mgs or change compounds if needed.

Stop being a dipshit.

 

[Send0]

In just your 3rd cycle, you took more drugs than I ever have.

You're going to fuck yourself up.

You're 2nd cycle should've been a repeat of your 1st, maybe a slight bump up if needed, but only like 100 mgs.

Your 3rd, similar. Only add more mgs or change compounds if needed.

Stop being a dipshit.

He should have never had a first cycle honestly until he learned to diet and train.

 

[Yano]

Weighing about 185-190 pounds

dbol cycle for 10 weeks

which dropped me back to about 187

So you spent 20 weeks poisoning yourself ... for net gain of -3lbs ?

 

[FlipBobz321]

Welcome to UGBB.

Which UGBB member do we have to thank for having you join us?


"Burning fat" has nothing to do with drugs. It's about energy expenditure vs caloric intake.

Apart from that dmp which is potentially lethal

 

[Send0]

Apart from that dmp which is potentially lethal

Even with DNP, if you know how it works, then it's still about energy expenditure. DNP doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want... you still need to manage your diet and make sure that you are in an energy deficit.

By your logic, we could include clen, t3, t4, and a host of other drugs. However that's not how we evaluate things, and physics always reigns supreme... you must manage diet. The drugs won't do anything if you are out eating them. They also won't do anything if you just sit on your ass all day and do nothing.

 

[GreatGunz]

Should find out who gave him all the bull shit info and bustem back to a newbie……..

You friend that knows a lot didn’t do you any favors.

 

[FlipBobz321]

Even with DNP, if you know how it works, then it's still about energy expenditure. DNP doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want... you still need to manage your diet and make sure that you are in an energy deficit.

By your logic, we could include clen, t3, t4, and a host of other drugs. However that's not how we evaluate things, and physics always reigns supreme... you must manage diet. The drugs won't do anything if you are out eating them. They also won't do anything if you just sit on your ass all day and do nothing.

I know nothing works by itself but it is just about the most potent thing for that job, you don't need to lecture me on stuff like that, oh and if you do eat the wrong thing on DMP you can burn up possibly causing a fatality, so it's not like they will just do "nothing" if you do it wrong!

 

[Send0]

I know nothing works by itself but it is just about the most potent thing for that job, you don't need to lecture me on stuff like that, oh and if you do eat the wrong thing on DMP you can burn up possibly causing a fatality, so it's not like they will just do "nothing" if you do it wrong!

You literally just replied to my first post about energy expenditure with "except for DNP".

And you won't die from eating the wrong thing while on DNP. You die from DNP because a person can't tolerate it at all or can't tolerate the dosage; it is basically poison after all... the type of food you eat has nothing to do with the potential cause of death.

Please just stop saying things while you're ahead .