Nolva/Arimidex

[Bro Bundy]

And to think I had just allotted advertising costs to UGBB for a banner ad...

Good to see true colors in such little time.

What’s it gonna say I’m a bitch that gets offended by others opinions on an open board ? How will ugb survive without your banner

 

[Type-IIx]

What’s it gonna say I’m a bitch that gets offended by others opinions on an open board ? How will ugb survive without your banner

But you haven't said anything offensive, just personally embarrassing? I suppose UGB will survive as it has, from money out of your own or whoever's pocket. Happy Halloween, Bundy.

 

[Bro Bundy]

But you haven't said anything offensive, just personally embarrassing? I suppose UGB will survive as it has, from money out of your own or whoever's pocket. Happy Halloween, Bundy.

Same to you lady

 

[clyde1818]

Did some more research and might go the Ralox/Aromasin way. Still unsure for a source atm since every source I trust only sells one or the other and kinda would like to get both from the same place for convenience/shipping fees lol

 

[Bro Bundy]

I find adex to be a stronger AI then aromasin..Its good to have on hand both

 

[clyde1818]

Could you elaborate on, and best of all cite, what you read about Nolva's benefit for hormones? TBH, I'm not clear on what that actually means. All SERMs increase T by stimulating LH & FSH secretion from the hypothalamus and pituitary. The mechanism by which they do so is tissue-selective ER-α antagonism in those hypothalamo-pituitary cells.

Could you elaborate on the nature of this rebound? Estrogen rebound with respect to cycling-off any AAS is a myth, as I understand it! This is because transient AAS-induced hypogonadism is characterized by low E2 (because low T).

That's great you didn't experience common symptoms of joint aching & bone brittleness, low energy and mood, hair loss, and lipid derangement! The prevalence of these symptoms is very high, figures include:
The properties of hair growth and the underlying mechanisms of [hair loss with respect to...] tamoxifen and anastrozole in sequence resulted in an event rate of 14.7% (95% CI: 13.2%–16.4%). Saggar V, Wu S, Dickler MN, Lacouture ME. Alopecia with endocrine therapies in patients with cancer. Oncologist. 2013;18(10):1126-34. doi: 10.1634/theoncologist.2013-0193

Can't site shit unfortunatly since it's only what I've read from other users on random forums, not studies. I've heard Nolva had a superior effect on stimulating LH and FSH than Ralox whereas the later was superior against gyno. Most "info" I've found on the subject was more targeted towards gyno than PCT per say. How would you dose Ralox for PCT ?

 

[Type-IIx]

Can't site shit unfortunatly since it's only what I've read from other users on random forums, not studies. I've heard Nolva had a superior effect on stimulating LH and FSH than Ralox whereas the later was superior against gyno. Most "info" I've found on the subject was more targeted towards gyno than PCT per se. How would you dose Ralox for PCT ?

PCT with SERMs (e.g., Nolva, Ralox) & AIs (e.g., Adex, Asin) is FAKE NEWS. [1]. [2]. Instead, once it occurs to you that you intend to cycle-off, immediately start hCG & hMG. If you plan the duration before starting the blast then use hCG & hMG throughout.

HCG solo in the case that hMG is inaccessible (supply, price), then hCG alone is still highly beneficial, just not *as* beneficial as both hCG & hMG.

References
[1] https://peterbond.org/post/haarlem-study-suggests-post-cycle-therapy-pct-doesnt-work
[2] https://thinksteroids.com/community...out-once-a-week.134410157/page-4#post-2964013

Just use raloxifene and exemestane to treat symptoms of excess estrogens that includes gynecomastia. Dosimetric equivalence is by tablet, 1 full-strength tab of Adex (1 mg) ≈ 1 full-strength tab of Aromasin (25 mg). Obviously these are (very high) doses used in medicine to treat breast cancer, YMMV when dialing in, but generally AAS use is a fraction of a tablet to manage estrogens in healthy adult men.

 

[Bro Bundy]

PCT with SERMs (e.g., Nolva, Ralox) & AIs (e.g., Adex, Asin) is FAKE NEWS. [1]. [2]. Instead, once it occurs to you that you intend to cycle-off, immediately start hCG & hMG. If you plan the duration before starting the blast then use hCG & hMG throughout.

HCG solo in the case that hMG is inaccessible (supply, price), then hCG alone is still highly beneficial, just not *as* beneficial as both hCG & hMG.

References
[1] https://peterbond.org/post/haarlem-study-suggests-post-cycle-therapy-pct-doesnt-work
[2] https://thinksteroids.com/community...out-once-a-week.134410157/page-4#post-2964013

Just use raloxifene and exemestane to treat symptoms of excess estrogens that includes gynecomastia. Dosimetric equivalence is by tablet, 1 full-strength tab of Adex (1 mg) ≈ 1 full-strength tab of Aromasin (25 mg). Obviously these are (very high) doses used in medicine to treat breast cancer, YMMV when dialing in, but generally AAS use is a fraction of a tablet to manage estrogens in healthy adult men.

That was a well thought out answer I like it I prefer good ol clomid but nothing is 100 in this game good job . I also apologizes about out bs it’s stupid of me and childish I’ll admit

 

[clyde1818]

I've seen the Harleem study but I think alot of people speculate that the PCT is useful for keeping gains and feeling better in the weeks after a blast. I might be wrong though. I'm not planning on blast and cruising but on doing 12-16 weeks 500mg Test and then coming completly off. Harlem study suggests I should just go cold turkey off but that seems kinda wrong in my head lmao. Never used HCG before (only done 1 cycle years ago)., might go for it this time. I'd like to use less drugs than more if possible though. Ralox/Nolva/Arimidex/Aromasin will be on hand to fight off E2 sides and Gyno if needed.

Would you uggest going cold turkey / only HCG post cycle ? I've read a bit on enclomifene also having great results in increasing test levels but I'm unsure if the increase would be only temporary (Going from lets say crashed test to good, but then crashing again when stopping enclo rather than going to a normal range).

 

[Type-IIx]

I've seen the Harleem study but I think alot of people speculate that the PCT is useful for keeping gains and feeling better in the weeks after a blast. I might be wrong though. I'm not planning on blast and cruising but on doing 12-16 weeks 500mg Test and then coming completly off. Harlem study suggests I should just go cold turkey off but that seems kinda wrong in my head lmao. Never used HCG before (only done 1 cycle years ago)., might go for it this time. I'd like to use less drugs than more if possible though. Ralox/Nolva/Arimidex/Aromasin will be on hand to fight off E2 sides and Gyno if needed.

Would you uggest going cold turkey / only HCG post cycle ? I've read a bit on enclomifene also having great results in increasing test levels but I'm unsure if the increase would be only temporary (Going from lets say crashed test to good, but then crashing again when stopping enclo rather than going to a normal range).

They make you feel better for sure (Ralox WAY better here than Nolva IME), indirectly permitting us to continue training with a bit more intensity and maintain gains to some greater degree than crashing to virtually nil T. Theoretically, SERMs to some extent (and this is shown in HAARLEM albeit sub-significance) must actually delay recovery since they stimulate LH, FSH, and T artificially. In the end, I’ve found hCG and hMG to be the SEKRET for being able to cycle-off (which I did until I was 35).

 

[Type-IIx]

That was a well thought out answer I like it I prefer good ol clomid but nothing is 100 in this game good job . I also apologizes about out bs it’s stupid of me and childish I’ll admit

You’ll find that I put little stock in internet trolling. If you or anyone else (and I suspect alcohol at least was involved it being Halloween night — my bday btw which might tell you something) wants to test my durability and confidence, whatever your motivations might be, you’ll have to do better than yo mama insults.

 

[clyde1818]

They make you feel better for sure (Ralox WAY better here than Nolva IME), indirectly permitting us to continue training with a bit more intensity and maintain gains to some greater degree than crashing to virtually nil T. Theoretically, SERMs to some extent (and this is shown in HAARLEM albeit sub-significance) must actually delay recovery since they stimulate LH, FSH, and T artificially. In the end, I’ve found hCG and hMG to be the SEKRET for being able to cycle-off (which I did until I was 35).

Thanks for the info, very valuable !

I don't think I can get my hands on hMG, what "pct" protocol would you recommend for 500mg test 12-16 weeks ? Only hCG ? What doses ?

 

[Bro Bundy]

You’ll find that I put little stock in internet trolling. If you or anyone else (and I suspect alcohol at least was involved it being Halloween night — my bday btw which might tell you something) wants to test my durability and confidence, whatever your motivations might be, you’ll have to do better than yo mama insults.

I did apologize didn’t I. I’m not here to troll I do enjoy some fun here and there but I appreciate good knowledge more .

 

[Bro Bundy]

You’ll find that I put little stock in internet trolling. If you or anyone else (and I suspect alcohol at least was involved it being Halloween night — my bday btw which might tell you something) wants to test my durability and confidence, whatever your motivations might be, you’ll have to do better than yo mama insults.

I’m a bouncer I hate Halloween and drunks .. happy birthday

 

[Bro Bundy]

Any reason u don’t like clomid ? Not that I pct anymore after many blasts I find pct ineffective now

 

[Type-IIx]

Thanks for the info, very valuable !

I don't think I can get my hands on hMG, what "pct" protocol would you recommend for 500mg test 12-16 weeks ? Only hCG ? What doses ?

PCT with SERMs (e.g., Nolva, Ralox) & AIs (e.g., Adex, Asin) is FAKE NEWS. [1]. [2]. Instead, once it occurs to you that you intend to cycle-off, immediately start hCG & hMG. If you plan the duration before starting the blast then use hCG & hMG throughout.

HCG solo in the case that hMG is inaccessible (supply, price), then hCG alone is still highly beneficial, just not *as* beneficial as both hCG & hMG.

References
[1] https://peterbond.org/post/haarlem-study-suggests-post-cycle-therapy-pct-doesnt-work
[2] https://thinksteroids.com/community...out-once-a-week.134410157/page-4#post-2964013

Just use raloxifene and exemestane to treat symptoms of excess estrogens that includes gynecomastia. Dosimetric equivalence is by tablet, 1 full-strength tab of Adex (1 mg) ≈ 1 full-strength tab of Aromasin (25 mg). Obviously these are (very high) doses used in medicine to treat breast cancer, YMMV when dialing in, but generally AAS use is a fraction of a tablet to manage estrogens in healthy adult men.

Basically you want to use hCG (and ideally hMG if accessible) throughout your cycle or from the moment it occurs to you that you’ll cycle-off.

 

[Type-IIx]

Any reason u don’t like clomid ? Not that I pct anymore after many blasts I find pct ineffective now

Clomid is really really bad for mood and can affect vision, people see a green/yelllow hue often.

It’s nasty shit! Prefer enclomiphene, but raloxifene is superior

 

[Bro Bundy]

Clomid is really really bad for mood and can affect vision, people see a green/yelllow hue often.

It’s nasty shit! Prefer enclomiphene, but raloxifene is superior

I heard that it messes with vision at high doses . I haven’t used that shit in years

 

[Type-IIx]

I’m a bouncer I hate Halloween and drunks .. happy birthday

Thanks bro

 

[Type-IIx]

Thanks for the info, very valuable !

I don't think I can get my hands on hMG, what "pct" protocol would you recommend for 500mg test 12-16 weeks ? Only hCG ? What doses ?

Of course bro! I don’t want you to think that I’m ignoring you here, it’s just that it wouldn’t be fair to those I manage this for on a paid professional basis to start designing protocols, and besides, there’s legal waiver that must be made, etc. I’m new here and my motivations are not to get new clients. All that I can leave you with is this — there is a well-heeled “bro-science” (good rather than bad bro-science) hCG protocol — 500 IU every other day — that is very similar to that which has been demonstrated to maintain intratesticular T concentrations throughout blasts/cycles, albeit at 300 mg testosterone weekly.