Optimal estrogen levels

[Texan69]

I’ve noticed that when my test is higher 2,000-3,000 I actually feel better with my estrogen 50-80. Better libido and energy. I don’t experience issues with estrogen at that level
It seems like anytime I’ve taken an AI (adex or aromasin) it kills my libido or erection quality

It seems that the exact number isn’t as important as the ratio of Androgens to estrogen ?

 

[CJ]

It seems that the exact number isn’t as important as the ratio of Androgens to estrogen ?

To a point, from my understanding. The smart guys that I listen to say that too much is bad, just like too low.

If I recall correctly, going above 100 is not good, and it might've been a bit lower.

 

[Wizbang]

To a point, from my understanding. The smart guys that I listen to say that too much is bad, just like too low.

If I recall correctly, going above 100 is not good, and it might've been a bit lower.

All the smart people I listen to state 70-90 is "typically" ok as long as you're not experiencing side effects (nipple sensitivity-gyno formation) and if I am recalling right, estrogen will help with liver lipid maintenance while cycling, on top of some of the things already mentioned, so much of this is goldilocks, seeking the scenario that works best for you individually and knowing your body/paying attention to markers to correct course before bigger issues arise.

 

[Texan69]

To a point, from my understanding. The smart guys that I listen to say that too much is bad, just like too low.

If I recall correctly, going above 100 is not good, and it might've been a bit lower.

Ya and in hindsight my statement of 50-80 was probably an exaggeration..looking over my past labs and notes on how I felt
It seems 50-60 is probably more accepted for me when my test was 1,800-2500

 

[Texan69]

To a point, from my understanding. The smart guys that I listen to say that too much is bad, just like too low.

If I recall correctly, going above 100 is not good, and it might've been a bit lower.

All the smart people I listen to state 70-90 is "typically" ok as long as you're not experiencing side effects (nipple sensitivity-gyno formation) and if I am recalling right, estrogen will help with liver lipid maintenance while cycling, on top of some of the things already mentioned, so much of this is goldilocks, seeking the scenario that works best for you individually and knowing your body/paying attention to markers to correct course before bigger issues arise.

I notice more issues with low estrogen than high estrogen. Low estrogen libido goes to shit, erections suck, workouts suck
High estrogen I have good energy and horny as hell little bit of ED but not near like when it’s low

50 is the sweet spot for me I suppose

I also don’t get any issues as far as gyno or anything with my estrogen being even at 90 once…the worst thing I had was a puffy face

 

[vipersknot]

Keep in mind I am viewing this through the lense of TRT, the ratio matters hugely but the relationship is not linear.
I have seen a ratio of 20-25:1 as ideal with TRT but this doesn't scale up the higher you go with total testosterone because you would run into problems with 150 to 120 trying to preserve that ratio with 3000.
It is also interesting to think about how hard it is to control that ratio if sometimes total testosterone is 2000 and sometimes it is 3000.

 

[CJ]

Keep in mind I am viewing this through the lense of TRT, the ratio matters hugely but the relationship is not linear.
I have seen a ratio of 20-25:1 as ideal with TRT but this doesn't scale up the higher you go with total testosterone because you would run into problems with 150 to 120 trying to preserve that ratio with 3000.
It is also interesting to think about how hard it is to control that ratio if sometimes total testosterone is 2000 and sometimes it is 3000.

And that's why we use non/lesser aromatizing compounds alongside a base Test dose, when cycling.

At those levels, the ratio of T:E is completely inconsequential.

 

[vipersknot]

And that's why we use non/lesser aromatizing compounds alongside a base Test dose, when cycling.

At those levels, the ratio of T:E is completely inconsequential.

This board is a joke. You can delete my account and fuck off.

 

[CJ]

This board is a joke. You can delete my account and fuck off.

Well that was excessive.

First time that I've been told to "fuck off" after agreeing with someone.

 

[Send0]

This board is a joke. You can delete my account and fuck off.

He agreed with you. Are you stupid or something?

Go take your psych meds and take a break from the internet. For fucks sakes

 

[MxxC82]

Vipersnot sounds a bit… mmm… on edge eh… tha fuck dude?

@Texan69 , what is your mg/dosing schedule to mitigate/maintain your happy medium E level at around that 2000 test range?

 

[Texan69]

Vipersnot sounds a bit… mmm… on edge eh… tha fuck dude?

@Texan69 , what is your mg/dosing schedule to mitigate/maintain your happy medium E level at around that 2000 test range?

I split my test/mast up half Monday and half Friday

Without an AI e2 levels were mid 50’s-60’s

Adding in 12.5mg Aromasin once per week on Fridays. Waiting to see what those labs came back as

 

[CJ]

I split my test/mast up half Monday and half Friday

Without an AI e2 levels were mid 50’s-60’s

Adding in 12.5mg Aromasin once per week on Fridays. Waiting to see what those labs came back as

50's/60's is pretty good, why are you adding an AI?

 

[Texan69]

50's/60's is pretty good, why are you adding an AI?

Noticed a decline in erection quality
It’s technically high but so is my test so the ratio may not be bad then

 

[CJ]

Noticed a decline in erection quality
It’s technically high but so is my test so the ratio may not be bad then

Fair enough.

 

[Texan69]

Fair enough.

Waiting on labs to see where the Aromasin puts me at

 

[MxxC82]

Waiting on labs to see where the Aromasin puts me at

Let us know the results when they come in, if you don’t mind sharing. My recent panel has my E level at 101 running 400mg/wk test only, test level was 1988… I don’t have any major sides with the E level high like that outside of occasional itchy/sensitive nip, my libido isn’t terrible, I don’t feel like shit but I personally think I could feel better so I started Adex regimen to get my level down some and see how I feel.

 

[CJ]

Let us know the results when they come in, if you don’t mind sharing. My recent panel has my E level at 101 running 400mg/wk test only, test level was 1988… I don’t have any major sides with the E level high like that outside of occasional itchy/sensitive nip, my libido isn’t terrible, I don’t feel like shit but I personally think I could feel better so I started Adex regimen to get my level down some and see how I feel.

If you're going to add a drug anyway to combat high estrogen, what's your rationale for using Adex instead of trying Masteron, Equipoise, or Primo? You'll get extra anabolic benefit from the latter choices, but not so from the Adex.

 

[MxxC82]

If you're going to add a drug anyway to combat high estrogen, what's your rationale for using Adex instead of trying Masteron, Equipoise, or Primo? You'll get extra anabolic benefit from the latter choices, but not so from the Adex.

Mainly because I don’t have any of those on hand, well, I do have a bottle of mast but it’s a decade old so it would be safe to say it’s no good and I don’t even know why I still keep it in the safe honestly.

I’m not very familiar with those compounds you mentioned, so if I were to pick some up I need to read and educate myself a lot more on them, proper dosing when stacking with test, side effects to be cautious of etc etc. I’ve come to learn that making inquiring posts about usage and such doesn’t seem to get me much positive results…

@Texan69 didnt mean to hijack your thread man!

 

[Jonjon]

I don’t think anyone knows the best range because it’s different for everybody. But I will say the best growth spurt i ever had my estrogen was 120. Acne was bad and sex drive was non existent but strength was excellent for me.

Funny thing is, on trt with a 30 estradiol I have pretty much no sex drive now. Im not sure what my magic number is but I’m pretty sure libido is d driven by estrogen for me