Results 10 weeks Test/Primo

[caterpillar29]

What I am curious about is your thoughts and suggestions. What do you think of these results and how could they be Improved on future cycles? (Current cycle will continue for 2-4 weeks)

Protocol:
250mg Test-E/ week
200mg Primo - E/ week
10mg nolvadex e3d

Weight gain: 62kg -> 70kg

Diet: 1596Kcals -> 1867 Kcals

Coached by a competitive bodybuilder from another forum.

 

[valdemort]

how are u bulking on 1867 cals? u a child?

 

[Send0]

I think your starting weight is low, and that you could have put this weight on naturally with diet.

I think your calories seem low. You're eating less than your maintenance amount of calories.

You put on 8kg, but are not nearly as lean as you were at 62kg. It's hard to compare the before and after because the size difference isn't big enough, and you aren't the same level of lean.

You look like the same version of yourself, slightly bigger but not as lean.

 

[RiR0]

how are u bulking on 1867 cals? u a child?

Maybe that’s what he needed personally. He gained weight. What would raising his calories higher do? Increase scale weight but not muscle

 

[Send0]

Maybe that’s what he needed personally. He gained weight. What would raising his calories higher do? Increase scale weight but not muscle

He was eating 1600 calories before. I'd bet his weight gain was mostly glycogen... But I'm not him so I don't know how fast the initial weight came on.

I don't think he needed to force feed, but working up to 2200 calories from whatever his maintenance was wouldn't have been a ridiculous starting point.

 

[caterpillar29]

how are u bulking on 1867 cals? u a child?

Not very tall. Also besides training have a sedimentary lifestyle.
A "Leanbulk' was to do, meaning not eating too many calories over maintenance.
The 1867Kcals are an average though. Some days ate around 2000 Kcals or more. Then compensated later in the week with some cardio training.

 

[valdemort]

not eating too many calories over maintenance.

What was the gear for if you planned on barely eating to begin with?

 

[caterpillar29]

What was the gear for if you planned on barely eating to begin with?

just came out of a cut though. Was recommended to diet down to 12% or less bodyfat before going on cycle.

 

[Send0]

I am not very tall. Also besides training I have a sedimentary lifestyle.
A "Leanbulk' was what I wanted to do, meaning not eating too many calories over maintenance.
The 1867Kcals are an average though. Some days I ate around 2000 Kcals or more. Then I compensated later in the week with some cardio training.

Here's a screenshot from an online calculator. I didn't know your height so I just put 5'5".

Now calculators are just formulated estimates, and reality can be different... but in my experience they have been close for my needs.

This one says your maintenance calories at 134lbs is 1829 calories. It also lists calories to lose and gain weight per week.

I think you could have been eating more. You could have slowly added 50-100 calories per week until you hit the target caloric intake. This would let you monitor things and decide when you think you are eating the ideal amount for bulking.

 

[Thebiggestdumbass]

What was the gear for if you planned on barely eating to begin with?

He did it right. by not jumping his calories 1000+ over maintenance to minimize fat gain. Like I’ve tried to tell you

 

[valdemort]

He did it right. by not jumping his calories 1000+ over maintenance to minimize fat gain. Like I’ve tried to tell you

well he minimized fat gains by minimizing all gains

 

[Thebiggestdumbass]

well he minimized fat gains by minimizing all gains

Dude gained about 16 lbs, call it 8 lbs water and glycogen he did ok.

 

[valdemort]

Dude gained about 16 lbs, call it 8 lbs water and glycogen he did ok.

idk. looks like he lost a ton of leanness in the process. I'll agree on the 8lbs of fluff but seems like maybe a third of the rest was good tissue

 

[RiR0]

well he minimized fat gains by minimizing all gains

Are you really talking? Go train your legs and take more dnp.

 

[RiR0]

Dude gained about 16 lbs, call it 8 lbs water and glycogen he did ok.

Too many people commenting that shouldn’t. That’s how it is here.
I don’t care about a number of calories or a useless calculator.
I start with a certain amount of macros and work up or down from there.
I don’t care about an actual caloric number.

 

[RiR0]

Here's a screenshot from an online calculator. I didn't know your height so I just put 5'5".

Now calculators are just formulated estimates, and reality can be different... but in my experience they have been close for my needs.

This one says your maintenance calories at 134lbs is 1829 calories. It also lists calories to lose and gain weight per week.

I think you could have been eating more. You could have slowly added 50-100 calories per week until you hit the target caloric intake. This would let you monitor things and decide when you think you are eating the ideal amount for bulking.

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He gained weight. He didn’t need more calories. He needs more time

 

[valdemort]

Are you really talking? Go train your legs and take more dnp.

Someone asked how their results were. They were definitely sub par. You disagree?

 

[Adrenolin]

Too many people commenting that shouldn’t. That’s how it is here.
I don’t care about a number of calories or a useless calculator.
I start with a certain amount of macros and work up or down from there.
I don’t care about an actual caloric number.

I care about the "circus" mirror that makes me look more jacked

 

[RiR0]

Someone asked how their results were. They were definitely sub par. You disagree?

Yes I do. He gained a decent amount of weight and when he drops the water and glycogen he will have maintained about half that. If he keeps it up for years he will be a big lean fucking guy.

 

[Adrenolin]

Someone asked how their results were. They were definitely sub par. You disagree?

For 12wks, I'd say he did pretty alright gained some good lean mass with minimal fat gain... when he does need to cut, it'll be easy