Steroids to add to tren a

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Diet is 2200 calorie. Protein 55-60%, carbs 20-25%, fat 15-20%. Cardio 30 min daily. This is working pretty good so far so am not going to change it for now
 

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Diet is 2200 calorie. Protein 55-60%, carbs 20-25%, fat 15-20%. Cardio 30 min daily. This is working pretty good so far so am not going to change it for now

If you start feeling sluggish, add more carbs and drop some protein in a 1:1 ratio.

You're overconsuming protein, at the expense of the energy that carbohydrate can give you.
 

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So far no change in energy. But yeah if I start feeling like a slug I'll adjust it. I been on keto diet before and I am not nearly as deficient on carbs now as I was then. Guessing that's why I am tolerating it ok
 

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So far no change in energy. But yeah if I start feeling like a slug I'll adjust it. I been on keto diet before and I am not nearly as deficient on carbs now as I was then. Guessing that's why I am tolerating it ok

It's only been 3 weeks, the time will come. Just be prepared.

And since you are eating so few carbs, I'd suggest eating the majority of them in the pre and post workout period. Put those bad boys to use!!!
 
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Wtih Tren A .. I would add the following

Test prop - 1ml every 2nd day
Test e - 1ml every Friday
Masteron - 1ml mon, wed, fri
Anavar - 50mg daily

drop test-e at some stage and add 50ml stan daily

If you wanted to live dangerously .. add dianabol with the anavar for a little super strength, bit harsh .. but damn, great strength gain for a while
 

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1ml no matter what the mg/ml is your just having a ml of it

Wtih Tren A .. I would add the following

Test prop - 1ml every 2nd day
Test e - 1ml every Friday
Masteron - 1ml mon, wed, fri
Anavar - 50mg daily

drop test-e at some stage and add 50ml stan daily

If you wanted to live dangerously .. add dianabol with the anavar for a little super strength, bit harsh .. but damn, great strength gain for a while
 

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1ml no matter what the mg/ml is your just having a ml of it
I'll guess the concentrations are

Test Prop 200
Test E 500
Mast Prop 200

I gander to reckon the winny suspension is 75 per mL, but he said 50mL daily so 3.75 GRAMS of winstrol daily. OUCH!!!!

MrBafner really didn't think that post through very well.
 

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oh .. haha, sorry, use to just having my dosages on the stuff I have.

Test prop - 1ml every 2nd day - 1ml is 200mg/ml
Test e - 1ml every Friday - 1ml is 250mg/ml
Masteron - 1ml mon, wed, fri - 1ml is 150mg/ml
Anavar - 50mg daily - is just my preferred dosage - only have 50mg tabs
 

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Trt base. Some masteron if you’d like. Otherwise you really don’t need anything but the tren IME.
A doctor at my gym told me yesterday to run 2:1 test to tren. I don’t think that’s a good idea. I mean, who’s gonna run a friggin gram of test just so they can run half a gram of tren EW…
Also he recommended propionate instead of cypionate.
I was all “but i pin every day,” to which he replied “hmm.”
 

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If you start feeling sluggish, add more carbs and drop some protein in a 1:1 ratio.

You're overconsuming protein, at the expense of the energy that carbohydrate can give you.
You need carbs to protein 25:1 when running tren, CJ. I think u made a typo.
 

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You need carbs to protein 25:1 when running tren, CJ. I think u made a typo.
I've gone hypo from running tren on a low carb diet (no slin), albeit tren's big brother was in the cycle as well, but still gotta be careful cause the potential risk is there.
 

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Seems like there is so many options you can run with tren a for dry lean muscle gains. Boldelone sounds appealing along with test and tren and orals such as tbol, Winstrol, var, and even anadrol. Just seeing what you all's personal preferences are. Thank you for your input and knowledge.

I would suggest keeping your T dose 150-200mg greater than the Tren dose or more (for optimal muscle mass results) :
1.With Tren, the most important factor missing is Estrogen. Test should be a TRT dose (on the lowest end)...as you add additional hormone Tren, you should be adding additional bio-ID hormone Test in equal or great amounts** (per your choice of look, goals, current level of dev. etc)
2. Estrogen and DHT both have important roles in Human physio. Neurologically both would esp. important in a TREN cycle; E2's positive Cardiovascular effects ect.

Adding a solid anabolic medicine like BoldU is certainly the favorite I use with clients, I personally prefer Nandrolone (NPP>Deca in this case for injection purposes).
1. when adding EQ or Masteron, it is important to take into consideration their reduction effects of Aromatization. Again Test should be equal or higher to maximize gains.
2. As Tren doses get high, I start to think about relative competition btw hormones. here Nandrolones superior binding affinity comes in handy, its reduced metabolite, DHN may help a little bit in balancing the high androgenic burden (which is more beneficial during certain phase, less in others).

(+/- )An Oral (liver health 2ndary concern) like Dbol is the goal is muscle gains offseason, or DHT derivative like Winstrol for added dryness and muscle retention.
Winstrol would probably be added very late in the game say before a show, maybe 2 weeks out.
Dbol may be used preworkout/training days only to assist Liver health is some capacity (TREN is by far the most Liver Tox Injectable Ive seen on blood work).
Anadrol's Estrogenic nature, w/o aromatization could be very beneficial in this case.
Tbol offers very little of anything, much like an Anavar would do (nada) in such a cycle (esp. relative to price! now free Var ed is worth a try lol)

That's my breakdown, i know im gonna be surprised by the Masteron people out there and scratch my head, let's see:)
Best,
MuscleMedicineMD
 
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you said your test should be equal or greater than your Tren. Then you say your test should be trt for optimal Results. Have I read this wrong??

I would suggest keeping your T dose equal or greater than the Tren dose:
1.With Tren, the most important factor missing is Estrogen. Test should, on the low end, be a TRT dose..for opt. results.
2. Estrogen and DHT both have important roles in Human physio. Neurologically both would esp. important in a TREN cycle; E2's positive Cardiovascular effects ect.

Adding a solid anabolic medicine like BoldU is certainly the favorite I use with clients, I personally prefer Nandrolone (NPP>Deca in this case for injection purposes).
1. when adding EQ or Masteron, it is important to take into consideration their reduction effects of Aromatization. Again Test should be equal or higher to maximize gains.
2. As Tren doses get high, I start to think about relative competition btw hormones. here Nandrolones superior binding affinity comes in handy, its reduced metabolite, DHN may help a little bit in balancing the high androgenic burden (which is more beneficial during certain phase, less in others).

(+/- )An Oral (liver health 2ndary concern) like Dbol is the goal is muscle gains offseason, or DHT derivative like Winstrol for added dryness and muscle retention.
Winstrol would probably be added very late in the game say before a show, maybe 2 weeks out.
Dbol may be used preworkout/training days only to assist Liver health is some capacity (TREN is by far the most Liver Tox Injectable Ive seen on blood work).
Anadrol's Estrogenic nature, w/o aromatization could be very beneficial in this case.
Tbol offers very little of anything, much like an Anavar would do (nada) in such a cycle (esp. relative to price! now free Var ed is worth a try lol)

That's my breakdown, i know im gonna be surprised by the Masteron people out there and scratch my head, let's see:)
Best,
MuscleMedicineMD
 

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As I've said before on this board, more isn't necessarily better and just because you can doesn't mean you should. 200/week test and 300/week tren works great. Smart guys who are around the games long time know that using a little as possible to achieve the result you seek is the key to success and longevity. If you could achieve the same result sitting 4 plates as you could 5 plates why the fk would you want to squat 5 plates? Ego? This doesn't apply to powerlifters, of course, different game. Same applies to AAS, or any med for that matter. You gonna take 4 tylenol when 2 will kill your headache? You get the point. And as Trump stated, you don't need to be at low bodyfat to get results from mast. That's just bullsh*t.

I agree with everything up until the 5 plates, lol...

Seriously though, I've always said use the least amount of AAS to get the desired outcome whatever that may be. More gear means more potential sides and unwanted problems you may have to deal with.
 

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I agree with everything up until the 5 plates, lol...

Seriously though, I've always said use the least amount of AAS to get the desired outcome whatever that may be. More gear means more potential sides and unwanted problems you may have to deal with.
In the 2011ish time I bought into higher dosages. Never found better results, only more side effects.
 

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you said your test should be equal or greater than your Tren. Then you say your test should be trt for optimal Results. Have I read this wrong??

Sure I'll clarify; IMO for the general BBer who #1 concern is to maximize muscle growth, "T dose should be equal to or greater than Tren dose"
ex. TrenA 75mg ed (525mg/wk), Test P/E/C 600mg total

Now for those special cases who want to avoid taking Test (where DHT is their mortal enemy), "Test should, on the Low/lowest end, be a TRT dose (200mg/w)" like bare minimum, for optimal results **in their situation. (I had "very low end" but edited to be concise). Tren at any dose is not a medicine that should be run solo, even if you dont care about sex drive, ED etc. from not having a T base.
ex. TrenA 75mg ed/525mg total, Test 200mg total (+ dbol 50mg ed; adds to Estrogen total while still avoiding DHT plus all the usual benefits)

Best,
M3
 

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A doctor at my gym recently told me to run Test Prop whenever running tren. I think he didn’t realize that i pin everything everyday.
I was pinning 60mg Test C with 70mg tren ace every day.
I was too agro so i cut it down to 60mg Test C every other day with 50 mg tren ace every day. I cut my cycle short a couple days ago. 7 weeks of tren was more than enough for me, particularly my high RBC, hemocrit, and blood pressure all through the roof.
 
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I like adding in var with my tren cycles. 50mg ED. Currently 400mg tren a and 350mg test e a week. Feel great. This is how I always do things though. Lower test/higher tren. You truthfully don't need to add any other compounds in with tren. Depends what goals are in my opinion. When I start adding compounds like drol in with tren I get bad back pumps/ that feeling of BP being high and that you're about to pop. Face red as **** at gym. Keep it simple.
 
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