TRT with Test + Clomid

[death metal]

Has anyone tried a protocol like that ? I remember talking long time ago to a well known IFBB pro who advised me something like this . It was about adding small doses of clomid ( 5 to 10 mg. every day) to the regolar testosterone therapy. The reason was to keep stimulating the pituitary gland and control the estrogens at the same time . Personally I've never done it as I'm ok with my basic ''Test. enath. only'' therapy , maybe someone did it ? Cheers.

 

[buck]

I have seen many do that over the years and everyone that i know quit doing it. Wasn't worth it to them.

 

[Test_subject]

Clomid is not very good for you. If you’re looking to keep your balls from shrinking, HCG is a much better bet.

Clomid also doesn’t control estrogen.

 

[Send0]

Has anyone tried a protocol like that ? I remember talking long time ago to a well known IFBB pro who advised me something like this . It was about adding small doses of clomid ( 5 to 10 mg. every day) to the regolar testosterone therapy. The reason was to keep stimulating the pituitary gland and control the estrogens at the same time . Personally I've never done it as I'm ok with my basic ''Test. enath. only'' therapy , maybe someone did it ? Cheers.

This doesn't make sense. There's little sense in adding clomid when your HPTA is shutdown.

You get estrogen via aromatization of testosterone. Let's say you weren't shutdown and were taking test, and then added clomid on top. You'd be producing more testosterone, and in turn aromatizing more estrogen.

Adding clomid in with your TRT is a waste, and won't help with anything.

The only thing I can think of is that this IFBB was using clomid as a SERM as a preventative measure, because they are scared of gyno... But that's also stupid because they should be controlling their estrogen with AI before they reach for a SERM.

This guy should have his IFBB pro card revoked. He sounds like an idiot.

 

[death metal]

This doesn't make sense. There's little sense in adding clomid when your HPTA is shutdown.

You get estrogen via aromatization of testosterone. Let's say you weren't shutdown and were taking test, and then added clomid on top. You'd be producing more testosterone, and in turn aromatizing more estrogen.

Adding clomid in with your TRT is a waste, and won't help with anything.

The only thing I can think of is that this IFBB was using clomid as a SERM as a preventative measure, because they are scared of gyno... But that's also stupid because they should be controlling their estrogen with AI before they reach for a SERM.

This guy should have his IFBB pro card revoked. He sounds like an idiot.

Yes , it doesn't make sense to me too . IMHO HCG is a waste of time too during the TRT, I know people doing it but I don't agree .

 

[Test_subject]

Yes , it doesn't make sense to me too . IMHO HCG is a waste of time too during the TRT, I know people doing it but I don't agree .

It depends. If you care about the size of your balls while on TRT, HCG makes sense. If not, it’s a waste of time and money.

It’s also useful for maintaining/increasing fertility, but that’s another discussion.

 

[Reader591]

It’s also useful for maintaining/increasing fertility, but that’s another discussion.

Do you think there could be benefit to raising lh and fsh from time to time, say every few years vs never doing it? Say in my case, we are pretty sure we don’t plan to have another kid, but it’s not 100%. Would it be smart to “turn them on” every so often if on trt for fertility vs never doing it, or, the weird places my mind goes, if the apocalypse happens and for whatever reason I can’t get prescription trt or stuck in a stranded island lol.

Just in hopes that you can get back to close to what one’s crappy test levels were before starting TRT.

In my mind it wouldn’t hurt at the very least, but I don’t know.

 

[Test_subject]

Do you think there could be benefit to raising lh and fsh from time to time, say every few years vs never doing it? Say in my case, we are pretty sure we don’t plan to have another kid, but it’s not 100%. Would it be smart to “turn them on” every so often if on trt for fertility vs never doing it, or, the weird places my mind goes, if the apocalypse happens and for whatever reason I can’t get prescription trt or stuck in a stranded island lol.

Just in hopes that you can get back to close to what one’s crappy test levels were before starting TRT.

In my mind it wouldn’t hurt at the very least, but I don’t know.

I’m honestly not sure about that one. That’s a good @GreenAmine question.

 

[buck]

Yes , it doesn't make sense to me too . IMHO HCG is a waste of time too during the TRT, I know people doing it but I don't agree .

I am one of those that have used HCG for going on 20 years with my TRT as it mimics LH which has many functions besides making ones balls bigger. or fertility. It can keep the p450 pathway open. Seems it can be used for nerve regeneration etc. And who knows what else has not been discovered about what LH does yet. But there are no long term studies and doubt there will be anytime soon.

 

[GreenAmine]

I’m honestly not sure about that one. That’s a good @GreenAmine question.

@Reader591

I really don't see any benefit to "turning on and off the machinery" every few years. HCG courses lasting long enough to bring things back to normal a few times every year? That I could see having benefit. Honestly, if you're worried about it, it might be best to be on it year-round.

If you're worried about what you're missing with a lack of natural function as far as hormones are concerned, you could take pregnenolone. I take 40 mg every day and I've noticed a big positive difference in my mood and cognition. It's the "mother steroid" that is used to make a plethora of hormones.

Research the benefits of pregnenolone. It's worth taking in my opinion.

 

[Reader591]

@Reader591

I really don't see any benefit to "turning on and off the machinery" every few years. HCG courses lasting long enough to bring things back to normal a few times every year? That I could see having benefit. Honestly, if you're worried about it, it might be best to be on it year-round.

If you're worried about what you're missing with a lack of natural function as far as hormones are concerned, you could take pregnenolone. I take 40 mg every day and I've noticed a big positive difference in my mood and cognition. It's the "mother steroid" that is used to make a plethora of hormones.

Research the benefits of pregnenolone. It's worth taking in my opinion.

Thanks for that. Never heard of it, I’ll look into it

 

[death metal]

I am one of those that have used HCG for going on 20 years with my TRT as it mimics LH which has many functions besides making ones balls bigger. or fertility. It can keep the p450 pathway open. Seems it can be used for nerve regeneration etc. And who knows what else has not been discovered about what LH does yet. But there are no long term studies and doubt there will be anytime soon.

Yes this is what John Crisler (RIP) said , it was his protocol, Testosterone with low dosage of HCG. I tried but I've noticed a big increase in estrogen with my FSH and LH levels still zero. What I've learned, accoding to many endos I've been talking to , is that once you are on Test. you temporarlily shut down your testicles and HCG can't reverse the process .The fact testicles get a little bigger with HCG doesn't mean you are avoiding the shut down process . IMHO it is much better to use HCG in a PCT in case we need to be fertile again.

 

[death metal]

@Reader591

I really don't see any benefit to "turning on and off the machinery" every few years. HCG courses lasting long enough to bring things back to normal a few times every year? That I could see having benefit. Honestly, if you're worried about it, it might be best to be on it year-round.

If you're worried about what you're missing with a lack of natural function as far as hormones are concerned, you could take pregnenolone. I take 40 mg every day and I've noticed a big positive difference in my mood and cognition. It's the "mother steroid" that is used to make a plethora of hormones.

Research the benefits of pregnenolone. It's worth taking in my opinion.

Very interesting , I've heard of pregnenolone and DHEA too , never tried. What you think about adding some DHEA too ? Does it worth ? My concern is that pregnenolone might increase estrogen levels . Did you notice that ? Most endocrinologists are against the use of other hormones during testosterone replacement therapy , they go for testosterone only but I think I'll try some pregnenolone and see what happens.

 

[GreenAmine]

adding some DHEA

I think that this is unnecessary if you're taking pregnenolone, since it's converted to DHEA.

pregnenolone might increase estrogen levels

For this to happen, pregnenolone would have to first be converted to testosterone. This essentially will not happen if exogenous testosterone is being administered, since the body's ability to make testosterone has been shut down.

endocrinologists are against the use of other hormones during testosterone replacement therapy

I had not heard about this. I see no reason to be against the use of pregnenolone.

Start low and titrate up. I started at 10 mg/day and stayed there for 2 weeks before increasing the dose to 20 mg/day. I ultimately found that 40 mg/day was my optimal dose.

 

[death metal]

I think that this is unnecessary if you're taking pregnenolone, since it's converted to DHEA.

For this to happen, pregnenolone would have to first be converted to testosterone. This essentially will not happen if exogenous testosterone is being administered, since the body's ability to make testosterone has been shut down.

I had not heard about this. I see no reason to be against the use of pregnenolone.

Start low and titrate up. I started at 10 mg/day and stayed there for 2 weeks before increasing the dose to 20 mg/day. I ultimately found that 40 mg/day was my optimal dose.

Should I take it before going to bed ? Thanx again...

 

[GreenAmine]

Should I take it before going to bed ? Thanx again...

I take it in the morning at breakfast with fats. It's a hydrophobic compound, so it needs fat to help with absorption/bioavailability. I like the positive cognitive effects, which helps me perform better at my job.

I also noticed that if I took it at night, it messed with my sleep, but that could simply be because my sleep is fucked and far from normal. It may not affect everyone like that.

 

[buck]

Yes this is what John Crisler (RIP) said , it was his protocol, Testosterone with low dosage of HCG. I tried but I've noticed a big increase in estrogen with my FSH and LH levels still zero. What I've learned, accoding to many endos I've been talking to , is that once you are on Test. you temporarlily shut down your testicles and HCG can't reverse the process .The fact testicles get a little bigger with HCG doesn't mean you are avoiding the shut down process . IMHO it is much better to use HCG in a PCT in case we need to be fertile again.

John Crisler and the TRT Dr i am using now thought/think that HCG will activate the testicals . The loop is shut down but the HCG still can function the same as LH. Depends on what you are looking for in benefits as i see it. If a person thinks that keeping as much of their system functioning as normally as possible is the healthy thing then HCG may be what is needed. If a person doe not care about all the process down steam that LH influences then it may be of no benefit to them as i see it.

 

[GreenAmine]

process down steam that LH influences

Which processes are you referring to?

 

[TODAY]

Which processes are you referring to?

Nutsack stuff.

 

[buck]

Which processes are you referring to?

P450, nerve generation for starters. And what ever hasn't been discovered yet. I tend to figure more is not known about biology then is. It is far from an exact science, even my Dr's agree.