What has your experience been with NPP?

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I've been away for a while. Been working out hard all this time but just haven't had time to post here. Hope all is well with everyone.

My query is for those who have used NPP. I've never used it before but am tempted to give it a go. I'm fifty-three and work out (pretty intensely) six days a week. I'm currently on 140mg of HRT and look pretty decent. I'm thinking of staying at that test dose but I'd like to try NPP and take 200-400mg per week. I was on 100mg of test a week but man, just adding 40mg allowed me to gain about four pounds of muscle in all the right places. I look noticeably bigger which I'm liking a lot.

Can those of you who used NPP provide some feedback? Just curious to know what it was like for those of you with experience using NPP. I used to be a tren junkie but given that I'm older I think I should stay away from that from now on. I'm also looking to keep my test HRT dose at a lower end due to aromatization.

Is NPP sort of like Deca but with less water bloat?
 

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If 100mg to 140mg of Test gave you such a positive return, why fix what isn't broken? Why not just add in another 40-60mg bump when good weight gain stalls?

To answer your question about NPP, it's going to vary. I personally love it, while a friend of mine recenty got really dark and having suicidal thoughts once he started taking it. He stopped. It's an extreme case, I know, but it shows that you never know.
 
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If 100mg to 140mg of Test gave you such a positive return, why fix what isn't broken? Why not just add in another 40-60mg bump when good weight gain stalls?

To answer your question about NPP, it's going to vary. I personally love it, while a friend of mine recenty got really dark and having suicidal thoughts once he started taking it. He stopped. It's an extreme case, I know, but it shows that you never know.

Well, nothing's broken. I just want a little more size. :geek: I am wondering if doing a low(er) testosterone cycle with something else like NPP might be the ticket to some great gains without the aromatizing effects that I get from taking too much testosterone. I'd also like to take a lower dose of testosterone and not have to titrate down when I get my blood draws with my doctor. Plus, I actually like the way I look better at 140 versus 200mg of test per week. But even still, my levels come in at around 1,100 at 200mg per week which my doctor doesn't like. If she sees my levels getting to high she'll cut my dose down to an amount I probably won't be happy with. So this way, assuming my liver and kidney values don't change much I can take something else like NPP or primobolan and not have to worry about lowering my testosterone levels getting flagged.

I have heard of the dark emotional mood swings before here and there. Imma just hafta try and see how I do.

Lastly, does anyone know if NPP raises hematocrit levels? Mine get too high on just 200mg of test so I'm hoping my strategy will work for me in more ways than one.
 
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Just did some digging online. Looks like NPP does raise hematocrit. I'm gonna have to watch that.
 

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Well, nothing's broken. I just want a little more size. :geek: I am wondering if doing a low(er) testosterone cycle with something else like NPP might be the ticket to some great gains without the aromatizing effects that I get from taking too much testosterone. I'd also like to take a lower dose of testosterone and not have to titrate down when I get my blood draws with my doctor. Plus, I actually like the way I look better at 140 versus 200mg of test per week. But even still, my levels come in at around 1,100 at 200mg per week which my doctor doesn't like. If she sees my levels getting to high she'll cut my dose down to an amount I probably won't be happy with. So this way, assuming my liver and kidney values don't change much I can take something else like NPP or primobolan and not have to worry about lowering my testosterone levels getting flagged.

I have heard of the dark emotional mood swings before here and there. Imma just hafta try and see how I do.

Lastly, does anyone know if NPP raises hematocrit levels? Mine get too high on just 200mg of test so I'm hoping my strategy will work for me in more ways than one.

Aromatization issues are a perfectly acceptable reason to keep your Test dose lower and add in another compound, like a nandrolone or equipoise, during a growth phase.
 

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One of my smoothest rides was 500 TC an 500 NPP. Zero noticeable side effects and a steady gain in strength and size. You can go down to 400 NPP and 200 Test and probably do just fine.
 

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NPP strength gains for me are much better than deca. Theres a chart somewhere that shows the difference in the two and NPP on strength skyrockets passed deca. Really is one of my preferred favs. It's very versatile, so can do just about whatever you want on it (Cut, recomp, bulk). Sides minimal and can be compared to a mild tren-a cycle without sides. I do also get some joint support/relief with it better than i've noticed with deca. Much less bloat compared to deca and can be managed if there is any. I think you'll enjoy NPP if your looking for something to replace tren cycle/blast.

Btw, black labs are awesome dogs. Don't even have to train them and they listen lol.
 
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One of my smoothest rides was 500 TC an 500 NPP. Zero noticeable side effects and a steady gain in strength and size. You can go down to 400 NPP and 200 Test and probably do just fine.
Wow, 1,000mg of everything total? May I ask how old you were when you did that much? I haven't been on a cycle that big since I was in my thirties. Three years ago I did 300mg of tren enanthate and 200mg of of testosterone cypionate. I got up to 229lb and was quite lean and pumped up. I gained approximately twenty pounds on just 500mg of everything and I was leaner than I am now. I miss my bigger more muscular look. :( The only side effects I had from tren were moderately elevated liver enzymes which took about six months after stopping my cycle to finally go back down to normal ranges. Surprisingly, my eGFR for my kidneys improved while I was on tren.
 
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NPP strength gains for me are much better than deca. Theres a chart somewhere that shows the difference in the two and NPP on strength skyrockets passed deca. Really is one of my preferred favs. It's very versatile, so can do just about whatever you want on it (Cut, recomp, bulk). Sides minimal and can be compared to a mild tren-a cycle without sides. I do also get some joint support/relief with it better than i've noticed with deca. Much less bloat compared to deca and can be managed if there is any. I think you'll enjoy NPP if your looking for something to replace tren cycle/blast.

Thanks for this. I wondered about the joint relief. I don't have terrible joint pain but since I'm still lifting like I was when I was in my twenties and thirties hopefully I might feel some benefit for my occasional "squeakiness." I'm not lifting as heavy as I did twenty years ago but I do train intensely.


Thanks, everyone, for the input.
 

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Thanks for this. I wondered about the joint relief. I don't have terrible joint pain but since I'm still lifting like I was when I was in my twenties and thirties hopefully I might feel some benefit for my occasional "squeakiness." I'm not lifting as heavy as I did twenty years ago but I do train intensely.


Thanks, everyone, for the input.
For me deca was better on joints then npp
 

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And I get zero noticeable joint benefits from Deca or NPP. It's individual.
 

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Never nppeed myself ,,, do love my Deca , slow n steady she brings it on 16 weeks or so ... so nice.
 

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Running 500 mg npp with trt, at my age 56 been great addition.Doing a recomp right now. And I also donate blood keep my RBC in check. Great combo no sides!!
 

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Wow, 1,000mg of everything total? May I ask how old you were when you did that much? I haven't been on a cycle that big since I was in my thirties. Three years ago I did 300mg of tren enanthate and 200mg of of testosterone cypionate. I got up to 229lb and was quite lean and pumped up. I gained approximately twenty pounds on just 500mg of everything and I was leaner than I am now. I miss my bigger more muscular look. :( The only side effects I had from tren were moderately elevated liver enzymes which took about six months after stopping my cycle to finally go back down to normal ranges. Surprisingly, my eGFR for my kidneys improved while I was on tren.
That was back there but I think it was for my last meet so 50 y.o.

Don't get caught up in the total mgs. Guys can do a gram of Test, try a gram of Tren and let me know how that goes.

I've never put on 20 lbs on a cycle.
 
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Guys can do a gram of Test, try a gram of Tren and let me know how that goes.

I've never put on 20 lbs on a cycle.

Back in my early thirties I did 1g of test and 600mg of tren acetate per week. I was 252lb back then and was pretty lean.

Maybe I'll post some pics to show my weight gain from a moderate cycle of just 500mg total of everything. I respond pretty well to gear in terms of growth/size.

I also want to stay around 100-140mg of test so my testosterone levels don't shoot up too high. Because if they do my doctor will lower my dose which I don't want.
 
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Got some depressive sort of effect at 300mg/wk. Very run down, lack of energy, unmotivated
 

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Back in my early thirties I did 1g of test and 600mg of tren acetate per week. I was 252lb back then and was pretty lean.

Maybe I'll post some pics to show my weight gain from a moderate cycle of just 500mg total of everything. I respond pretty well to gear in terms of growth/size.

I also want to stay around 100-140mg of test so my testosterone levels don't shoot up too high. Because if they do my doctor will lower my dose which I don't want.
Brother at no point was I questioning you or doubting what you were saying. I was just speaking for myself.

Post some pics of you like.

So it sounds like Doc got ya on TRT. Same here and I've been through that. Depending on what kind of blood work he does, he may not put two and two together and just call some high stuff an anomaly. You pop 1500 on your TT and yeah, he's going to drop your dose or know what you've been up to. My doctor and I are now on a don't ask don't tell but he's not stupid.
 
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