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I see your point here. But us supporting the Kurds and further destabilizing Syria does nothing to prevent that from happening.

Also let's not forget, it's been the secular Arab leaders (Assad, Saddam Hussein) that are the ones who actually have used these chemical weapons against innocent civilians. Not Islamist regimes.
True but Islamist regimes usually get a patsy group to do the dirty work.
 
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The ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah seems to already be breaking down:

There will never be peace until there is no question who the land belongs to . Think the Native Americans .

Give the Palestinians the right to open casinos. Turn Israel into the gambling Mecca of the middle east. Everyone wins.
 

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I see your point here. But us supporting the Kurds and further destabilizing Syria does nothing to prevent that from happening.

Also let's not forget, it's been the secular Arab leaders (Assad, Saddam Hussein) that are the ones who actually have used these chemical weapons against innocent civilians. Not Islamist regimes.
Kurds are good people , always felt bad for the way they get fucked around by every one.
 

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Kurds are good people , always felt bad for the way they get fucked around by every one.

It's always fascinated me, why they were never given their own country in the first place?

Seeing as the Western countries drew up a bunch of weird borders post-WW2 I think they should have given more consideration to the Kurds.
 

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It's always fascinated me, why they were never given their own country in the first place?

Seeing as the Western countries drew up a bunch of weird borders post-WW2 I think they should have given more consideration to the Kurds.
The Brits and Us and the UN were all protecting them for quite a while and then slowly as everyone left the area , they got railed.

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Well, I believe its intentional. Kurds can form a government that is relatively stable, but the more important thing is that their core territory of Erbil is next to Mosul Arab area, so in practice they always controlled the oil fields and it started to be a big thing after the WWI. Generally, I don't like to blame it all on oil, but this case I believe was motivated much by it. Turks were weak, Iraqi all the time + French and Brits divided it. Nothing nice - divide and conquer style that always worked. In particular with Turks, where they will never work together.
 

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Well, I believe its intentional. Kurds can form a government that is relatively stable, but the more important thing is that their core territory of Erbil is next to Mosul Arab area, so in practice they always controlled the oil fields and it started to be a big thing after the WWI. Generally, I don't like to blame it all on oil, but this case I believe was motivated much by it. Turks were weak, Iraqi all the time + French and Brits divided it. Nothing nice - divide and conquer style that always worked. In particular with Turks, where they will never work together.
It always makes me a bit sad to think that we as a species put such a high value on "precious commodities" i.e. oil , gold , lithium , diamonds.

Yet we have no concern for the most valuable "precious commodity" of all , life.

Man is a sad , strange and for the most part , a pathetic creature.
 

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It always makes me a bit sad to think that we as a species put such a high value on "precious commodities" i.e. oil , gold , lithium , diamonds.

Yet we have no concern for the most valuable "precious commodity" of all , life.

Man is a sad , strange and for the most part , a pathetic creature.

Reminds me of the JFK quote, "And we call ourselves the human race."
 

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There will never be peace until there is no question who the land belongs to . Think the Native Americans .

Give the Palestinians the right to open casinos. Turn Israel into the gambling Mecca of the middle east. Everyone wins.

Similar things have actually been suggested over the years, but any two state solution that has Palestinians inside Israel is not ever going to be permitted by Israel

They're not going to stop their policies and practices of mass murder and expulsion until they've succeeded in killing or driving them all out, or the world steps in and stops them.

This a good history of the modern conflict

Really gave me a lot to think about

 

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The war in Syria, what's it about?
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Turkey/Qatar/Saudi Arabia wanted to build a gas pipeline through Syria to supply Turkey and Europe as an alternate to Russian Gazprom to strengthen NATO in Eastern Europe by nullifying Russia’s gas card. They made an offer to Assad. Assad asked Putin. Putin said no. Then these countries with the support of CIA decided to bring Democracy to Syria because Assad cannot win elections when only 20% Shiite support him. Arab spring came to Syria. Putin went in to make sure rebels don’t win.

With the rise of Neocons in USA, they stopped supporting the Free Syrian Army. The new US plan is to ship LNG to Poland as alternative to Gazprom. To be able to sell LNG, they wanted to block Qatar gas. For this reason, they used war on terror as an excuse to have presence in Syria via the Kurdish PYD. US plan is to create a puppet Kurdish state along the Turkish border to have a say on whether Europe can access Middle East resources or not. Trump had some common ground here with Putin.

The Neocon US has another long term motivation. The globalist project Silk Road intends to move trade from the Oceans to the land. Today, 90% of the world trade happens on the oceans. This makes China nervous. Thus the Silk Road. Silk Road is needed to boost new economies in Middle East and Africa. This is because the west is in debt and the financial markets need a bigger world to rotate this debt.

US wants the Kurdish puppet state to block Turkish trade routes to the south to be able to block Silk Road in the Middle East. The current US interests also want to break Turkey using Kurds as a tool so that they can completely block the Silk Road. The Silk Road also needs energy. Trump recently replaced Saudi leadership to block Aramco sale to the Chinese. When the globalist project secures Middle East resources and US loses control of world trade, this will end the Petrodollar and the US hegemony and it will create a world with multiple powers. Using this as the ultimate threat against Neocon US, some sort of compromise may eventually be agreed.

If the globalists can not dethrone Trump via scandals, then they are likely to bring the stock market down and blame Trump at re-election time. What they do with Putin is another matter. They don’t want to rely on solely Russia for the Silk Road, thus they will try to keep Turkey and Iran available for a second route as alternative, so that neither Putin, nor Erdogan has too much say. Neocons tried to kindle the fire of protests in Iran recently, but the fire died off quickly without globalist support. The Qatar coup also failed.

Thus the war in Syria is about who rules the world and whether US supremacy of the the 20th century continues into the 21st century or not.
 
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Similar things have actually been suggested over the years, but any two state solution that has Palestinians inside Israel is not ever going to be permitted by Israel

They're not going to stop their policies and practices of mass murder and expulsion until they've succeeded in killing or driving them all out, or the world steps in and stops them.

This a good history of the modern conflict

Really gave me a lot to think about

I have no answers. Just a joke. It's a tragedy like much of history, but tragedy has taken the show on the road. Possibly coming to a theater closer to home.

Good to see. I was wondering where you wandered off to.
 
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It always makes me a bit sad to think that we as a species put such a high value on "precious commodities" i.e. oil , gold , lithium , diamonds.

Yet we have no concern for the most valuable "precious commodity" of all , life.

Man is a sad , strange and for the most part , a pathetic creature.
Unfortunately it's just supply and demand. They're always making more people and you don't have to dig them up.
 

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The rebels have entered Damascus and Assad has reportedly fled Syria. What a crazy week in Syria:


Syrian rebels declared President Bashar al-Assad's ouster after seizing control of Damascus on Sunday, ending his family's iron-fisted rule after more than 13 years of civil war in a seismic moment for the Middle East.
The Islamist rebels also dealt a major blow to the influence of Russia and Iran in the region, key allies who propped up Assad during critical moments in the conflict.
Iran's embassy was stormed by Syrian rebels following their capture of Damascus, Iran's English-language Press TV reported on Sunday.
 

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I held off mentioning this yesterday just to see if anyone at all would bring it up. I saw no mention of it , in the paper , or on the news , social media.

I'm sure it was talked about some where but not the way it should of been.



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