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[Hughinn]

The language being used tells me a lot.

Rebels are people that are sick and tired and fight back against their govt. or an oppressor

Insurgents , while not the dictionary definition in my humble opinion , are people that are brought in to act sick and tired by another nation or group in order to effect regime change in their chosen target.

Most the news from the area is calling them , insurgents.

Makes go ..hmmmmmmm?

"Most the news from the area is calling them , insurgents"

And most Washington propaganda is calling them "rebels"

But this is the same regime that we fought in Afghanistan and Iraq to "liberate" those places from

Think about that

 

[Hughinn]

Those poor people are going to need some good old fashioned American "aid".

U.S. Agency for International Development

The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) is the United States’ government agency that leads international development and humanitarian assistance efforts to partner countries. We work together with individuals, communities, and countries globally to improve everyday lives...

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Which means Israeli and western banks will steal all thier natural resources while our government announces another multi billion dollar campaign to teach tribal Arabic people how to be democrats to "save democracy"

All out of our pockets and at the cost of our futures

 

[Hughinn]

Those poor people are going to need some good old fashioned American "aid".

U.S. Agency for International Development

The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) is the United States’ government agency that leads international development and humanitarian assistance efforts to partner countries. We work together with individuals, communities, and countries globally to improve everyday lives...

www.usaid.gov

Which means Israeli and western banks will steal all thier natural resources while our government announces another multi billion dollar campaign to teach tribal Arabic people how to be democrats to "save democracy"

All out of our pockets and at the cost of our futures

 

[Hughinn]

Why do you consider the rebels to be the same as ISIS?

They were fighting each other at one point during this very complicated multi sided conflict.

They're the same as al queda, not isis.

Literally, the same exact people

 

[Hughinn]

Why do you consider the rebels to be the same as ISIS?

They were fighting each other at one point during this very complicated multi sided conflict.

They're the same as al queda, not isis.

Literally, the same exact people

 

[Hughinn]

If more people understood that , we wouldnt be as far fucked as we are as a nation. History and fact have been taken over by grifters charlatans and liars with the help of social media. I truly fear that our generations are the last to know what , truth , really is or means.

I'd agree

Except mainstream media is even worse infected by grifters and charlatans than social media

You're not "the resistance" when the corporate globalists and thier media machines are on your side

 

[Hughinn]

If more people understood that , we wouldnt be as far fucked as we are as a nation. History and fact have been taken over by grifters charlatans and liars with the help of social media. I truly fear that our generations are the last to know what , truth , really is or means.

I'd agree

Except mainstream media is even worse infected by grifters and charlatans than social media

You're not "the resistance" when the corporate globalists and thier media machines are on your side

 

[Hughinn]

I'm starting to wonder if the play for resources has moved passed our idea of "nations". Individuals, corporations, and intelligence agencies hold more power than many nation states, and with the line between intelligence agency and corporation blurred, especially in the tech industry, there has to be consideration these entities are no longer motivated by individuals with nationalistic/patriotic motivations as they were in the 50-60s.
To be overly simplistic, politicians seem to be a class cunning enough to wield seats of influence for monetary gain knowing they can't truly "help" citizens in a meaningful way. Even social programs I've relied on I don't think can operate without costing 3x as much as they should. I've only been alive long enough to see things move in this direction of profits motivating seemingly all legislature. Granted I'm biased from the targeted media/propaganda I consume, I'm so frustrated by this feeling that the whole thing is stacked against me.
That being said it has motivated me to go back to school in order to earn more. And I can see how all of this does kind of make things better over all. We live longer and can be healthier, partly due to advancements driven by the quest for profits.
I guess this is a roundabout way of saying I don't think we are far from seeing "self governing cities" made by tech companies. The banks are making it hard for them but they're making a hard move on politics. I'm conflicted and jaded.

Very interesting take there my friend

Although I'd argue that I'm not in entire agreement that our lives are any better, or we live longer and more fruitful lives under the powers that be

For example, the average Afghan lives a life much more free from government intrusion and influence than the average American

We're sicker than ever before, more controlled than ever before and most are far less content in thier lives than the typical Afghan or tribal Amazon person

All perceived "benifits" come with a cost I guess

 

[Hughinn]

What do you think that is?



I agree with you. It's a matter of convenience. There was the period in the 2010s where we were arming and funding groups in Syria while actively fighting their allies in Iraq and Afghanistan. And most Americans never even realized it.

I think it's a power play. Hear me out: if the West bet on Russia and Iran turning this into a wide and prolonged bloodfest in which they will be exhausted, softening Iran for a planned fatal blow, it makes a lot of sense for Putin to not swallow the bait, right?

And make Syria the West's headache, instead of his? Let the Americans navigate the labyrinth of interests and hostilities in Syria.

-Last week I was convinced this Syria thing was about Russia, and an attempt to put it on a collision course with Israel, as a way to force Trump into war with Russia, as a step on the way to a major attack on Iran. This makes the Israel's panties wet and thier wallets open for bribes in Washington

But...

-Maybe Russia and Iran could have saved Assad at the cost of many thousands of soldiers and billions in equipment and munitions. But wouldn't that compromise their defenses elsewhere, and divert attention from the major strategic assets of the anti-Western alliance?

If this is a game of chess, this whole thing could have been an attempted check, in preparation for a checkmate - a big offensive against Teheran's heart and head. It may very well be that the decision by Russia and Iran to not walk into the Usraeli trap was a very elegant and wise play.
Iran and Russia did not lose one soldier or any amount of vital assets over this. They are at their full readiness.
And now the West has to sort out Syria, explain to the world what it's doing there, and pay for its rehabilitation. Does this sound like such a bad deal?

The world is already seeing Israel run amok murdering children and women civilians with impunity, totally shielded by the world courts and justice by Washington. And the world hates it

I think it was a feign by Washington that didn't get the response it was meant to by Washington. Washington has lost in Ukraine and they know it. Their only options were to admit defeat or widen the scope of the war and expand it.

I think Russia, China and Iran read it correctly and didn't take the bait.

Just my opinion

Our leadership in Washington are not smart, competent people like most think. They're greedy, rich aristocrat's, snobs and self important idiots that live in little blue bubbles

 

[Hughinn]

I think it's a power play. Hear me out: if the West bet on Russia and Iran turning this into a wide and prolonged bloodfest in which they will be exhausted, softening Iran for a planned fatal blow, it makes a lot of sense for Putin to not swallow the bait, right?

And make Syria the West's headache, instead of his? Let the Americans navigate the labyrinth of interests and hostilities in Syria.

-Last week I was convinced this Syria thing was about Russia, and an attempt to put it on a collision course with Israel, as a way to force Trump into war with Russia, as a step on the way to a major attack on Iran. This makes the Israel's panties wet and thier wallets open for bribes in Washington

But...

-Maybe Russia and Iran could have saved Assad at the cost of many thousands of soldiers and billions in equipment and munitions. But wouldn't that compromise their defenses elsewhere, and divert attention from the major strategic assets of the anti-Western alliance?

If this is a game of chess, this whole thing could have been an attempted check, in preparation for a checkmate - a big offensive against Teheran's heart and head. It may very well be that the decision by Russia and Iran to not walk into the Usraeli trap was a very elegant and wise play.
Iran and Russia did not lose one soldier or any amount of vital assets over this. They are at their full readiness.
And now the West has to sort out Syria, explain to the world what it's doing there, and pay for its rehabilitation. Does this sound like such a bad deal?

The world is already seeing Israel run amok murdering children and women civilians with impunity, totally shielded by the world courts and justice by Washington. And the world hates it

I think it was a feign by Washington that didn't get the response it was meant to by Washington. Washington has lost in Ukraine and they know it. Their only options were to admit defeat or widen the scope of the war and expand it.

I think Russia, China and Iran read it correctly and didn't take the bait.

Just my opinion

Our leadership in Washington are not smart, competent people like most think. They're greedy, rich aristocrat's, snobs and self important idiots that live in little blue bubbles

Let's be objective here @Diesel59 you and I both know Russia and Iran were more than capable of putting down this insurgency in Syria

And Assad himself barely resisted while Russia and Iran didn't even lift a finger.

I don't know the inside details. I just know my government are not the good guys and they didn't back this thing to help anyone but themselves.
Second, trying to keep Syria from being a devolving shitshow of strife and misery isn't going to be any different than Iraq or Afghanistan for the Usraeli side. All of which were failures

"Stick your head out too far, it gets cut off"

I think its was a feight that didn't get the response Washington/Isreal wanted.

 

[Diesel59]

They're the same as al queda, not isis.

Literally, the same exact people

But the article is about a woman who married an ISIS member, not an al Qaeda member.

 

[Diesel59]

I think it's a power play. Hear me out: if the West bet on Russia and Iran turning this into a wide and prolonged bloodfest in which they will be exhausted, softening Iran for a planned fatal blow, it makes a lot of sense for Putin to not swallow the bait, right?

And make Syria the West's headache, instead of his? Let the Americans navigate the labyrinth of interests and hostilities in Syria.

I like this take. And it makes sense. Syria is not going to cease being a mess overnight. But after 10 years of it being the pet project of Russia and Iran, it's now the pet project of the West.

-Last week I was convinced this Syria thing was about Russia, and an attempt to put it on a collision course with Israel, as a way to force Trump into war with Russia, as a step on the way to a major attack on Iran. This makes the Israel's panties wet and thier wallets open for bribes in Washington

But...

-Maybe Russia and Iran could have saved Assad at the cost of many thousands of soldiers and billions in equipment and munitions. But wouldn't that compromise their defenses elsewhere, and divert attention from the major strategic assets of the anti-Western alliance?

If this is a game of chess, this whole thing could have been an attempted check, in preparation for a checkmate - a big offensive against Teheran's heart and head. It may very well be that the decision by Russia and Iran to not walk into the Usraeli trap was a very elegant and wise play.
Iran and Russia did not lose one soldier or any amount of vital assets over this. They are at their full readiness.
And now the West has to sort out Syria, explain to the world what it's doing there, and pay for its rehabilitation. Does this sound like such a bad deal?

The world is already seeing Israel run amok murdering children and women civilians with impunity, totally shielded by the world courts and justice by Washington. And the world hates it

I think it was a feign by Washington that didn't get the response it was meant to by Washington. Washington has lost in Ukraine and they know it. Their only options were to admit defeat or widen the scope of the war and expand it.

I think Russia, China and Iran read it correctly and didn't take the bait.

Just my opinion

Our leadership in Washington are not smart, competent people like most think. They're greedy, rich aristocrat's, snobs and self important idiots that live in little blue bubbles

I think this makes sense from the point of view of those countries.

Let's be objective here @Diesel59 you and I both know Russia and Iran were more than capable of putting down this insurgency in Syria

This is something that I've thought a lot about. It's almost like they just gave up, and decided it wasn't worth it anymore.

It would not take an extreme effort by any means to defeat these rebels.

And Assad himself barely resisted while Russia and Iran didn't even lift a finger.

Do you think after 13+ years, he and his backers decided it was time to give it up?

I don't know the inside details. I just know my government are not the good guys and they didn't back this thing to help anyone but themselves.
Second, trying to keep Syria from being a devolving shitshow of strife and misery isn't going to be any different than Iraq or Afghanistan for the Usraeli side. All of which were failures

"Stick your head out too far, it gets cut off"

I think its was a feight that didn't get the response Washington/Isreal wanted.

This realization will set in very soon, for Washington and for all of the people cheering on this victory.

Syria is an even bigger mess than Iraq or Afghanistan were, and is a more diverse country in a lot of ways.

 

[Jeffgoldblumlipswork]

Once we shed all this , I think we start to really see govt's and societies for what they truly are , some sort of abstract pyramid scheme designed and perpetuated to keep a very few elites at the top living and feeding off the rest of us as we move along the corridors of life like cattle to slaughter.

I want there to be more. We saw David Goldberg defend the free speach of KKK members in the 70s. I know there are people inside these institutions that see in the importance of protecting ideas important to society despite themselves being morally opposed to the rhetoric being propagated.
There is something so purely American about this I don't see anymore.

 

[Thrawn]

Kurds are done

With Syria in Flux, Turkish Forces Attack U.S.-Backed Forces

Rebels supported by Turkish air power fired on a Kurdish-controlled city in northern Syria, pitting proxies of the U.S. and Turkey — NATO allies — against each other.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Diesel59]

Kurds are done

With Syria in Flux, Turkish Forces Attack U.S.-Backed Forces

Rebels supported by Turkish air power fired on a Kurdish-controlled city in northern Syria, pitting proxies of the U.S. and Turkey — NATO allies — against each other.

www.nytimes.com

I'm not surprised. The Turks are more worried about getting rid of the Kurds than they were about getting rid of Assad.

 

[Thrawn]

I'm not surprised. The Turks are more worried about getting rid of the Kurds than they were about getting rid of Assad.

Honestly I think they will get there self-governed region, not statehood but not on the Turkish border. I think they're going to lose some of the land they're holding now we're going to make some back room deals with turkey. But I think they would of been better negotiating with assad they could have at least acted as a buffer. But if somebody thought my opinion ment anything I would have been paid for it.

 

[MarekBocanek]

but what was interest was speaking to a partner of us (a smart guy) from Beirut - that Lebanese are actually happy as it will stabilise somewhat finally, so then the Jews and Palestinians stop and they will be happy

 

[Jeffgoldblumlipswork]

Well they're questioning some guy in relation to the United Healthcare murder. Homie had the gun, suppressor, and manifesto on him.

 

[Diesel59]

Well they're questioning some guy in relation to the United Healthcare murder. Homie had the gun, suppressor, and manifesto on him.

Hopefully they've got him.

People celebrating him on social media has been pretty disturbing IMO.

 

[Bro Bundy]

I'm not surprised. The Turks are more worried about getting rid of the Kurds than they were about getting rid of Assad.

Are the Jews involved in this