How bad do you feel when coming off completely?

GreatGunz said:

Your first step is getting bloods done.Do u know where your natural are?
It matters!
Why are you self prescribing “trt “?

Have you done your research?

A proper pct done correctly you should feel fine!

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mountaincitysea said:

Yes I have a history of my natural bloodwork! I made a post in the newbie forum detailing my background. I'll also be getting some fresh bloodwork this weekend before I start. I'm self perscribing because I show lots of symptoms and have a history of producing very low T levels for my age.

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BigBaldBeardGuy said:

In your case and situation you’re going to feel terrible. You already have low testosterone so a PCT, if done properly, will best case return you back to your low numbers.

With your natural levels suppressed for a year, it’ll be hard to even recover to your current levels.

This entire idea is bad. Go to a real doctor to inquire about TRT. It’s prescribed so you should have access to it even when you are deployed. They’ll likely prescribe testosterone cream or do the pellets. This would be a more preferable route.

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Yano said:

come ... off ... completely ....

is that even legal ? ...

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mountaincitysea said:

Would it really be that bad if I gave myself enough time to do a proper PCT? I guess I'm not clear on what it's like to "return to baseline". My baseline definitely isn't ideal but it's liveable - are you implying a high chance of being WORSE off after PCTing?

Just from what I've read across forums and on reddit it seems like most guys return to their natural state pretty easily, sometimes without even a PCT. Especially when getting off of a TRT dose.

Without going into too much detail about my job/branch going the legit route just isn't an option for a number of reasons, unless I wanted to ruin my career. I wish I could elaborate more but for the sake of anonymity you'll just have to take my word for it. I do appreciate the input though.

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mountaincitysea said:

I know this will vary greatly depending on a number of factors, but how bad is coming off PEDs entirely if you make use of a PCT?

I plan on starting 200mg/week Test C for 6 months to a year, but will eventually have to come off for a while due to military obligations. This will be my first time using PEDs and I plan on using it as a self-administered "TRT+" protocol.

I will have time to PCT, so I plan on hcg and clomid/enclomiphene (preferably enclo if I can source it). What can I expect during the PCT phase, and immediately after once I come off of everything completely?

Anecdotally, people seem to say they just returned to their natural baseline, but has anyone experiened any negative symptoms or a subjectively worse experience after having been on gear/TRT for months at a time? I'm curious on what peoples' experiences are or any advice you might have for my particular situation.

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tankeray said:

My results may vary from other people but I also have had low natural T since I have been tracking that has ranged from 250 to 340 and I have had to come off numerous times.
PCT or not, you will likely feel shitty in the gym and lose gains no matter how hard you try not to.
My PCT usually consiststed of nolvadex and clomid the first 2 or 3 weeks off if I remember correctly. A few times I added HCG for the last 2 weeks of my cycle and the first week off cycle.
Some people do not consider HCG part of PCT and I can say it didn't make a difference for me in how I felt. For about two months I felt shitty and was overly emotional (during and after PCT with our without HCG). I would get upset and sad over the most stupid shit.

Without PCT I still felt shitty in the gym but I was not nearly as emotional as I was when I did PCT following cessation. Seems strange but that was my experience. With or without PCT it took about 2 months for me to start feeling better in the gym.

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