Trained in Venice this weekend

[Thezilla]

So while training out in Venice there was actually a couple times I felt small next to some of the guys out there. This doesn’t happen that often to me but hey it’s golds in Venice.
My question if for the expericed body builders on here. Is gh and insulin the game changer? I mean I’m sure that if a bodybuilder take grams of test a week they will grow with the proper nutrition etc.
These guys that are just massive wtf are they taking? Say a person was to run 500mg test 400 mg tren and throw in gh and insulin?

I know a guy personally who told me his doctor started to monitor him while he used a small dose of insulin and this guy is one of those guys that just looks like he has the game changer physique. All I do know if that basic cycle of test and tren at 500 and 400 don’t offer the next level physique I’m looking for.
Would just like to hear experiences with gh and insulin.

 

[Spongy]

Insulin absolutely is a game changer. HGH can be as well, but it's much more subtle and typically requires an extremely high dose for mass building purposes.

Keep in mind a lot of those guys are also running test at levels far higher than I care to discuss.

Insulin is a whole different ballgame. It can help you gain a lot of muscle mass or it can make you fat in a hurry depending on your diet.

 

[Thezilla]

I know it can be very dangerous aswell. Would you say the pros outweigh the cons minus death.

 

[PillarofBalance]

I know it can be very dangerous aswell. Would you say the pros outweigh the cons minus death.

It's really not that dangerous. Eat carbohydrates. Not so challenging.

 

[Spongy]

It's really not that dangerous. Eat carbohydrates. Not so challenging.

Agreed. If you're smart about it you eliminate a lot of the danger.

 

[Gibsonator]

So while training out in Venice there was actually a couple times I felt small next to some of the guys out there. This doesn’t happen that often to me but hey it’s golds in Venice.
My question if for the expericed body builders on here. Is gh and insulin the game changer? I mean I’m sure that if a bodybuilder take grams of test a week they will grow with the proper nutrition etc.
These guys that are just massive wtf are they taking? Say a person was to run 500mg test 400 mg tren and throw in gh and insulin?

I know a guy personally who told me his doctor started to monitor him while he used a small dose of insulin and this guy is one of those guys that just looks like he has the game changer physique. All I do know if that basic cycle of test and tren at 500 and 400 don’t offer the next level physique I’m looking for.
Would just like to hear experiences with gh and insulin.

thanks for the heads up fukker, i could've met up with you and we could've felt small together lol

 

[Thezilla]

Lol would have hit you up but you really gonna drive over and hour and pay 25 bucks!? I’ll be back we’ll do it next time.....I have some growing to do

 

[Seeker]

Lived and trained there for years. Good times, good Times.

 

[Seeker]

Well in today's times, it is the and has become the game changer. Combination of both, with large enough doses of aas has created the beasts of today. That's no secret

 

[TRUSTNME]

Def a game changer.. After collapsing once is enough for me. Did it for years. It Def, changes and ruins the way your system processes food also. After being off 6 months my doctors went through hell. I was like Russian Roulette for me. My body was going through hell with my blood sugars. Doctors could not stabilize mine. Doctors were pointing me toward dialysis. One day after getting off everything for 1 year 2 months. Blood sugars returned to normal. Doctors kept me on test because levels were like barely there. Insulin is no joke you have to take in enough carbs. It got to the point my vision was blurry, night driving the traffic lights appeared to run together, memory lost, hands would shake I would just eat myself well. Well really just putting a Band-Aid on the wound. Instead of treating the cause. Which is what most doctors do. After my experience, I believe you can cure diabetes. Yea yea, I know they call it Control Diabetes. But truthfully I did not get better until they stopped giving me insulin and pills. That stuff just treats the symptoms and once your body gets use to a particular one, they change your meds. Pharmacy getting rich and killing us at the same time. I believe unless your born with it you can beat it and I really should not say this, because I was not born with it.

Now I have three specialist I see. I see them because I'm still competing and all three are against what I do. But all three agreed to track blood work every 2-3 months with check up. Only doctor I miss every now and then is my urologist who scripts my testosterone, due to the high levels I by pass him every now and then. He knows. I see endocrinologist 2-3 times a year, depending on the feed back from the other two doctors. Times have changed. If you are in LE, (Law enforcement) makes it a little tough to be straight and open with your doctor. Due to lawsuits. If someone sues a cop for assault, your medical record could play a role and lawyers will play the Roid Rage game. But be open with your doctor. I mean it's easy for me to say, I found a loophole. Just always take care number one. I did not mean to smash your thread Thezilla.

QUOTE=Thezilla;453968]So while training out in Venice there was actually a couple times I felt small next to some of the guys out there. This doesn’t happen that often to me but hey it’s golds in Venice.
My question if for the expericed body builders on here. Is gh and insulin the game changer? I mean I’m sure that if a bodybuilder take grams of test a week they will grow with the proper nutrition etc.
These guys that are just massive wtf are they taking? Say a person was to run 500mg test 400 mg tren and throw in gh and insulin?

I know a guy personally who told me his doctor started to monitor him while he used a small dose of insulin and this guy is one of those guys that just looks like he has the game changer physique. All I do know if that basic cycle of test and tren at 500 and 400 don’t offer the next level physique I’m looking for.
Would just like to hear experiences with gh and insulin.[/QUOTE]

 

[ECKSRATED]

I don't think it's necessary unless u compete at a very high level. Ain't worth it if you're just some gym rat that wants to be big imo

 

[Gibsonator]

I don't think it's necessary unless u compete at a very high level. Ain't worth it if you're just some gym rat that wants to be big imo

agreed, most of us have a full time job and a family and will never need to get or compete at that level. Although it would be awesome to crack the fukkin ground when u walk down the street haha

 

[Jin]

I'm with Zilla. Pretty big but not monster big. I run reasonable cycles (1. 500 test/14wk 2. 750t/450 deca 18 weeks 3. 750t/450boldenone/16 wks) and eat enough.

I've been up to 285 but didn't look good. Was chubby and fluffy. I don't think I can get back to that weight at my current bf without more gear and/or insulin.

I'm 6'2 255 right now and I'd like to get to 275 while on cycle and 265 year round while on trt.

So, what's the option with the least harm? what's the option for best results? Running more gear or running insulin (for discussion purposes let's assume carbs are controlled with no chance of going hypo)? Or both?

 

[tinymk]

I'm with Zilla. Pretty big but not monster big. I run reasonable cycles (1. 500 test/14wk 2. 750t/450 deca 18 weeks 3. 750t/450boldenone/16 wks) and eat enough.

I've been up to 285 but didn't look good. Was chubby and fluffy. I don't think I can get back to that weight at my current bf without more gear and/or insulin.

I'm 6'2 255 right now and I'd like to get to 275 while on cycle and 265 year round while on trt.

So, what's the option with the least harm? what's the option for best results? Running more gear or running insulin (for discussion purposes let's assume carbs are controlled with no chance of going hypo)? Or both?

i am not the norm on this because I am a type 2 diabetic so using insulin is a daily thing for me. Do I think insulin has played a part in My size and strength? It is likely. With size can come strength and I stay pretty lean for 280 pounds but I have to eat pretty clean or I have to use even more Insulin. Insulin is a pretty iffy thing to use for most people but in my case I must use it before bed in mid morning and preworkout in several occasions. Simply I eat the carbs I need to so that I do not go too low intra workout.

 

[Thezilla]

All good info here thx