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[ViaTheSky]

Hi, I'm 45 (looking like 33), 183cm, 83kg, +-10%, from the Netherlands.
- always trained & ate my 6 protein meals from 16-45
- 16-23 yrs old: natural
- 24-28 yrs old: did 4 cycles (T+bold/primo+GH, with HCG+clomid PCT). 1 cycle per year. Was 90+kg at +-8%.
- 29-45 yrs old: natural.
- recently (at 45) revived myself with turkesterone/ecdysterone + a T-booster (ZMA + tongkat ali + fadogia + ashwaganda), which suprisingly worked like a light cycle for me! Probably also my old muscle memory helped me here.

Due to the great results of those supps I got the hang of it again, feel like getting into the shape of my life now. Am thinking to do another revive with: turkesterone/ecdysterone + ANAVAR. And go as long as I can on that. By doing blood work every 2 weeks, until any blood value goes intolerable, and then stop. Go off for a period, and repeat again & again until old age. (And maybe add GH, or other peptides such as BPC157/TB500 for joints, or CLEN for cutting once per year while maintaining muscle)

The idea is to stay away from any T/steroids except ANAVAR, and keep my own HTPA axis producing the T, since I'm old and want to stay healthy. (I'm not into TRT dependency for life). Well that's the idea for now. Maybe I'll slip if the Anavar doesn't give me what I want now, and then I'll fall back to a T+Primo+GH cycle to do some real reviving.

What do you guys think of going long on the TURK + ANAVAR? (until bloodwork stops it)

 

[ViaTheSky]

*HPG axis

 

[CJ]

I think that it's a short sighted plan.

For the minimal progress you'll make, you'll have an extended period of time after ceasing the Anavar use, where your natural testosterone production will be surpressed.

Either run a cycle, or don't.

 

[andy]

peptides like BPC157 and TB500 are always a great idea - your joints will thank u in the long run ispecially if u taking CLEN.

 

[Yano]

turkesterone was all i needed to read ...

im out.

 

[ViaTheSky]

Thanks for all the attention, while I just "fall out of the sky" here!

- I don't pretend to get huge on anavar-only, but I do this to at least have an edge and BE BETTER THAN NATURAL. Maybe I should also say that I plan to go very low dosage on Anavar, I'd start even with 5 mg, and work my way up very slow (25mg being the absolute ceiling, but I'll probably stay lower). But I will keep going very long. While measuring my blood to see if there is any T suppression.
- If there is no T suppression or anything wrong in blood for a while then I go slightly higher dose.
- If there is slight T suppression, I will step down the dose a bit, and remember this dosage point & cycle legnth for next time.
- If there is significant T suppression, I would directly stop.
I think this would also a nice experiment to share with you guys.
Of course I won't get huge like that, but I would of course look better than natural. So if I do it at low dosage, an if I stop before significant suppression, the problem going down the drain post-cycle should not be there. SO HOW CAN I GO WRONG? Unless you guys think I'd already be suppressed with 5mg? Unless you guys think that 5mg won't make me better than 0mg/natural? (I might make that 10mg, 15mg, whatever, I will experiment, and share).

- Also the idea is to revive myself, get to some basic shape. Also I have some old chronic joint pains, thats why I mentioned GH/BPC157/TB500.
- I can always do a monster cycle after, at least my base shape will be better.

 

[ViaTheSky]

turkesterone was all i needed to read ...

im out.

- About the turkesterone/ecdysterone > Of course this might sound useless if you are cycling like a monster. But if you've been natural for a while, like me, this stuff really works. It really revived myself incl. all my enthousiasm for training. And its the reason I now start to think about being enhanced again.

All my plates went up (lets say 3x more than what creatine does), and I gained visible muscle in the mirror, my jeans became noticably tight around the thighs (I haven't had that for a while), say 2kg of muscle after 8 weeks, of which most was visable already after 4 weeks. So it really works. (Well I also took this T-booster supp, must say that, maybe that also helped since I'm 45. Will test them seperately. But these supps were useful for sure.)

 

[Yano]

- About the turkesterone/ecdysterone > Of course this might sound useless if you are cycling like a monster. But if you've been natural for a while, like me, this stuff really works. It really revived myself incl. all my enthousiasm for training. And its the reason I now start to think about being enhanced again.

All my plates went up (lets say 3x more than what creatine does), and I gained visible muscle in the mirror, my jeans became noticably tight around the thighs (I haven't had that for a while), say 2kg of muscle after 8 weeks, of which most was visable already after 4 weeks. So it really works. (Well I also took this T-booster supp, must say that, maybe that also helped since I'm 45. Will test them seperately. But these supps were useful for sure.)

I would attribute that to muscle memory , intermediate gains and shedding off glucose and water as you restarted your training.

I have zero faith in plant sterols doing anything positive in humans for muscle growth.

oh .. and Howdy , nice to meetcha.

 

[CJ]

Thanks for all the attention, while I just "fall out of the sky" here!

- I don't pretend to get huge on anavar-only, but I do this to at least have an edge and BE BETTER THAN NATURAL. Maybe I should also say that I plan to go very low dosage on Anavar, I'd start even with 5 mg, and work my way up very slow (25mg being the absolute ceiling, but I'll probably stay lower). But I will keep going very long. While measuring my blood to see if there is any T suppression.
- If there is no T suppression or anything wrong in blood for a while then I go slightly higher dose.
- If there is slight T suppression, I will step down the dose a bit, and remember this dosage point & cycle legnth for next time.
- If there is significant T suppression, I would directly stop.
I think this would also a nice experiment to share with you guys.
Of course I won't get huge like that, but I would of course look better than natural. So if I do it at low dosage, an if I stop before significant suppression, the problem going down the drain post-cycle should not be there. SO HOW CAN I GO WRONG? Unless you guys think I'd already be suppressed with 5mg? Unless you guys think that 5mg won't make me better than 0mg/natural? (I might make that 10mg, 15mg, whatever, I will experiment, and share).

- Also the idea is to revive myself, get to some basic shape. Also I have some old chronic joint pains, thats why I mentioned GH/BPC157/TB500.
- I can always do a monster cycle after, at least my base shape will be better.

If you're going to use steroids and other drugs to get simply a slight edge, just use slightly more testosterone than would be natural.

It's safer, less complications, your body knows what to do with it, etc...

 

[CJ]

How's your sleep? Nutrition? Training? General lifestyle?

All of those will have a greater effect than your low dose anavar and turkeystone usage.

 

[ViaTheSky]

I would attribute that to muscle memory , intermediate gains and shedding off glucose and water as you restarted your training.

I have zero faith in plant sterols doing anything positive in humans for muscle growth.

oh .. and Howdy , nice to meetcha.

I didn't restart training, I have always been training heavy from 16-45 yrs old, and always eating my 6 protein meals per day.

I changed nothing in training, changed nothing in diet. I just took those supps I told you, and I had 3x more effect than creatine from them. Its not huge gains like from a T cycle, but its something.

 

[ViaTheSky]

How's your sleep? Nutrition? Training? General lifestyle?

All of those will have a greater effect than your low dose anavar and turkeystone usage.

- I sleep 8 hours per day.
- I eat 30+ grams of protein in every meal, 6 meals per day. (fish/meat/eggs/etc).
- I never eat sauce/sugar/crap
- I drink only water. (no sugar, no alcohol)

- 3 months per year I do cardio in the morning in fasted state. Like run 1 hour.
- I train heavy in the gym every other day. +- 3.5 days/week.

did this for years & years. I look athletic.

 

[Mbb224]

Post some pictures so we can see if you are even close to ready to be using steroids and GH.

 

[ViaTheSky]

P.S>. When I say 'revive', I mean getting a bit closer to "my old enhanced self", when I did 4 cycles years ago. I didn't mean to get back to training, I am always training.

 

[CJ]

- I sleep 8 hours per day.
- I eat 30+ grams of protein in every meal, 6 meals per day. (fish/meat/eggs/etc).
- I never eat sauce/sugar/crap
- I drink only water. (no sugar, no alcohol)

- 3 months per year I do cardio in the morning in fasted state. Like run 1 hour.
- I train heavy in the gym every other day. +- 3.5 days/week.

did this for years & years. I look athletic.

Then what's even the point of what you're planning to do?

What's the goal?

 

[ViaTheSky]

If you're going to use steroids and other drugs to get simply a slight edge, just use slightly more testosterone than would be natural.

It's safer, less complications, your body knows what to do with it, etc...

I'm not afraid of T or steroids, I am just afraid of T supression. After my last of the 4 cycles (years ago), I had few years bad T of my own, even though I did HCG+clomid PCT. I felt like crap and couldn't "perform well" without viagra for 2-3 years. I am happy I recovered from that. Thats why I never cycled again.

Either I dont suppress at all, and try semi-natural methods (I wanted to give this a try first) or go all the way again, one cycle per year, and just deal with the suppression.
(all year TRT/cruising forever, is not for me)

My logic is: If I take T, I'll deal with suppression anyway, then I'll take a decent dose, and take some nice steroids like primo on top. (and take HCG+enclomi after as PCT).

 

[TomJ]

- About the turkesterone/ecdysterone > Of course this might sound useless if you are cycling like a monster. But if you've been natural for a while, like me, this stuff really works. It really revived myself incl. all my enthousiasm for training. And its the reason I now start to think about being enhanced again.

All my plates went up (lets say 3x more than what creatine does), and I gained visible muscle in the mirror, my jeans became noticably tight around the thighs (I haven't had that for a while), say 2kg of muscle after 8 weeks, of which most was visable already after 4 weeks. So it really works. (Well I also took this T-booster supp, must say that, maybe that also helped since I'm 45. Will test them seperately. But these supps were useful for sure.)

its placebo.

We know for a fact that turk/ecdy do absolutely nothing in humans, and that nearly every seller of them is selling fraudulent/mislabeled products.
Most turk products contain 0 turkesterone.

Glad you got back into things, but the turk and otc test boosters are doing absolutely nothing, save your money

 

[ViaTheSky]

Then what's even the point of what you're planning to do?

What's the goal?

The goal is to look like an abs model in photos/videos basically (I don't expect bodybuilder level huge). To have an edge above my current natural athletic look. Just look a little bit harder. And have something I can maintain longer instead of peaking with a monster cycle once per year.

Also looking for some long-term solution for say the next 10 years, from 45-55 yrs old. To be in the best shape for those 10 years. And be able to be TRT-free from 55+.


It might be that I'm on the wrong track now to think I can do it with minimal supression. Maybe I should just suppress, and go for it. But nobody is ever doing this experiment, so why not try it?

 

[ViaTheSky]

its placebo.

We know for a fact that turk/ecdy do absolutely nothing in humans, and that nearly every seller of them is selling fraudulent/mislabeled products.
Most turk products contain 0 turkesterone.

Glad you got back into things, but the turk and otc test boosters are doing absolutely nothing, save your money

I took it from htltsupps (greg doucette's shop): Ecdy builder + G-test.

It could have been the G-test? I will try them seperately soon.

I can just say it worked at least 3x better than loading up on creatine.

 

[TomJ]

I took it from htltsupps (greg doucette's shop): Ecdy builder + G-test.

It could have been the G-test? I will try them seperately soon.

I can just say it worked at least 3x better than loading up on creatine.

neither of those products gave you any performance benefit at all.