Oxford scientists may have a vaccine by September

[SFGiants]

Food for thought!

Why do so many people that get the flu vaccine every year end up with the flu?

This is why I never have gotten a flu vaccine.

 

[TODAY]

I think your slightly ignorant towards the whole situation. Just because the vaccine has been made, doesn't mean we should all jump at it. Even with human trials and testing we have no clue what the long term effects are of this vaccine. Its the same premise with steroids; Who knows what some of the long term effects will be for some of the things we inject into our bodys.

An example; my brother got the MMR vaccine years ago and one of the side effects it had on him (without being technical) was that it stunted his puberty and growth. It stopped his growth completely and he is stuck at 5ft7 and it was confirmed by the doctors that this was the reason his growth has stunted.

This was after all the trials, tests and such. Due to the very very very very small list of sides effects which COULD occur.

I think it should be your choice what you choose to put in your body. I hope your argument about this vaccine extends to similar things, like alcohol, drugs, steroids, smoking. After all, you couldn't possibly justify this argument about a vaccine if you couldn't justify it over people that smoke?

This is an entirely reasonable (and civil) response.

The MMR vaccine is often scapegoated because it WAS a somewhat dangerous formulation. Even if more modern vaccines have a near-perfect safety record (which they do,) it's entirely understandable for people from the original MMR era to be suspicious.

 

[El Gringo]

Again,

Why?

Freedom. That’s why.

Because it’s not like the Government or pharmaceuticals has ever pushed lies.

it’s not like there’s been many attempts of mass genocide or Eugenics throughout history.

if people get sick and die because they didn’t take the vaccine, that’s on the individuals decision not to

if the vaccine ends up causing some kind of disease that slowly kills people over 10 or 20 years or used to track people and surveillance their every move; that’s on the government.

id rather control my own fate then trust a bunch of elitists trying to control the world

 

[Joliver]

You posted Dear so I'm going to share my thoughts on your questions :32 (20):

"just like abortion. it's my choice if i want to keep the child or not. and i shall not be judged if i choose that i want to abort."

Agreed abortion choice is your business only.

"do you get the flu shot every year?"

No, I have never had it.

"did you get the chickenpox vac?"

No, I have never had it and never had chickenpox.

My body. My Choice. Right?

Absolutely and only your choice.

"Will I be getting the COVID-19 Vaccination?"

I will be first in line. This is not the world or America I know and love. This has the resemblance of a communist country... I'm looking for the Berlin wall behind me now...I want my life back regardless of what it takes.

Communism always wins. Everywhere it's taken root it's been successful....then it ruins everything.

Also...I'm astonished that you've managed life without the chicken pox. Amazing.

 

[BigSwolePump]

Communism always wins. Everywhere it's taken root it's been successful....then it ruins everything.

Also...I'm astonished that you've managed life without the chicken pox. Amazing.

I also have never been vaccinated or had the chickenpox. Some people are more susceptible to illness I suppose.

Agree on Communism as well. It sounds great until you live it.

 

[Bobbyloads]

Again,

Why?

I do not trust them especially in this situation.

This whole corona virus is sketchy as shit. There is some hidden agenda behind all of this either from the Chinese government or somewhere just have a bad feeling about all of this.

I do not get flu shots either and me and my wife argue about my son getting them but at the same time I do believe in other vaccines that children should get.

 

[Robdjents]

Communism always wins. Everywhere it's taken root it's been successful....then it ruins everything.

Also...I'm astonished that you've managed life without the chicken pox. Amazing.

Just look at vietnam....

 

[Seeker]

Not posting in here to tell people what they should or should not do, but to add some important information to be considered.

There is no doubt vaccinations have allowed us to control diseases that once threatened millions of lives, just look at history...
Measles, polio, tetanus, whooping cough, and others. Vaccinations don't just protect individuals, they protect society.
this occurs thru herd immunity. Widespread vaccinations make it less likely that a susceptible person will come into contact with someone who has a particular disease. Just compare the U.S. to other poorer world countries in terms of disease ? I also, have never had the flu shot, but I have had the tetanus shot and other vaccinations. If you grew up and went to School here in the U.S? You had vaccinations as a child.

 

[Bobbyloads]

Food for thought!

Why do so many people that get the flu vaccine every year end up with the flu?

This is why I never have gotten a flu vaccine.

Exactly makes no sense they give you the flu to not get the flu but you get the flu after the vaccine and then get it again later smh....

My wife got the vaccine felt like shit after and then got laid out for like 5 days during flu season.

 

[Robdjents]

Not posting in here to tell people what they should or should not do, but to add some important information to be considered.

There is no doubt vaccinations have allowed us to control diseases that once threatened millions of lives, just look at history...
Measles, polio, tetanus, whooping cough, and others. Vaccinations don't just protect individuals, they protect society.
this occurs thru herd immunity. Widespread vaccinations make it less likely that a susceptible person will come into contact with someone who has a particular disease. Just compare the U.S. to other poorer world countries in terms of disease ? I also, have never had the flu shot, but I have had the tetanus shot and other vaccinations. If you grew up and went to School here in the U.S? You had vaccinations as a child.

Appearently now people claim religious freedom and dont get their children vaccinated...i have some in laws with unvaccinated children cuz some shit they heard on a greatful dead record or something and guess what...all their kids are constantly sick....but im also torn here too...it should be your choice but i also understand the survival of the human race may depend on a vaccine one day...anyway whatever decision people make i hope its the right one for you..i will not be partaking in any corona vaccines either.

 

[Jin]

Food for thought!

Why do so many people that get the flu vaccine every year end up with the flu?

This is why I never have gotten a flu vaccine.

Influenza vaccine is one of the least effective humanity has ever made. It changes yearly and on the best year it has about a 60% effectiveness and in its worst year: 0% effectiveness. It’s literally a best guess formula every year.

There are many safe and effective vaccines. People are stating they haven’t been vaccinated for this and that, but as children they’ve all been vaccinated against a slew of previously deadly diseases.

Besides antibiotics, vaccines are maybe the most life saving medical discoveries in history.

Fun fact: milkmaids in the UK in the 1800’s were seemingly immune to smallpox. One smart guy theorized exposure to some disease in the cows was making them immune. Pus from cowpox (a far less virulent disease, but similar in structure) was spread into a little cut on healthy patients. And boom, that was the first vaccination. Against smallpox. 100x the monster that Covid is.

 

[Bobbyloads]

Not posting in here to tell people what they should or should not do, but to add some important information to be considered.

There is no doubt vaccinations have allowed us to control diseases that once threatened millions of lives, just look at history...
Measles, polio, tetanus, whooping cough, and others. Vaccinations don't just protect individuals, they protect society.
this occurs thru herd immunity. Widespread vaccinations make it less likely that a susceptible person will come into contact with someone who has a particular disease. Just compare the U.S. to other poorer world countries in terms of disease ? I also, have never had the flu shot, but I have had the tetanus shot and other vaccinations. If you grew up and went to School here in the U.S? You had vaccinations as a child.

IMO we are looking at different things here your talking about vaccines that have been out for years that have been proven to work with very high success rates for diseases that kill or really **** a person up I would be a dummy not to give my son those vaccines.

We are talking about flu vaccines and corona virus vaccines why the **** would you take a shot of a flu to fight the flu? Just get it and get over it and many years I do not even get the shit.

Corona virus vaccine its going to be brand new all these conspiracies behind it I do not wish to be test dummy for something that in my eyes is not life or death if it was out for a while and it was proven maybe but if you think I will let myself or my son be a test dummy for this shit you lost your mind I do not trust any of this.

 

[Robdjents]

Influenza vaccine is one of the least effective humanity has ever made. It changes yearly and on the best year it has about a 60% effectiveness and in its worst year: 0% effectiveness. It’s literally a best guess formula every year.

There are many safe and effective vaccines. People are stating they haven’t been vaccinated for this and that, but as children they’ve all been vaccinated against a slew of previously deadly diseases.

Besides antibiotics, vaccines are maybe the most life saving medical discoveries in history.

Fun fact: milkmaids in the UK in the 1800’s were seemingly immune to smallpox. One smart guy theorized exposure to some disease in the cows was making them immune. Pus from cowpox (a far less virulent disease, but similar in structure) was spread into a little cut on healthy patients. And boom, that was the first vaccination. Against smallpox. 100x the monster that Covid is.

Speaking of smallpox any of you who served a tour in iraq or Afghanistan recived the vaccination. I got mine in 04 before i went for my first tour

 

[BigSwolePump]

Not posting in here to tell people what they should or should not do, but to add some important information to be considered.

There is no doubt vaccinations have allowed us to control diseases that once threatened millions of lives, just look at history...
Measles, polio, tetanus, whooping cough, and others. Vaccinations don't just protect individuals, they protect society.
this occurs thru herd immunity. Widespread vaccinations make it less likely that a susceptible person will come into contact with someone who has a particular disease. Just compare the U.S. to other poorer world countries in terms of disease ? I also, have never had the flu shot, but I have had the tetanus shot and other vaccinations. If you grew up and went to School here in the U.S? You had vaccinations as a child.

For me, I don't have an issue with some vaccinations but as science and history has confirmed, viruses cannot be vaccinated out of existence.

Sure polio, measles, chickenpox, tetanus are all successful vaccines but they didn't mutate either. Corona-viruses like the flu, mutate and vaccines are temporary controls at best for them. Covid-19 is an example of a mutated corona virus.

The best course of action to prevent or reduce symptoms of a corona virus is by taking care of your immune system with proper nutrition and supplementation along with proper hygiene. Of course that isn't profitable so we don't here much about that.

 

[BrotherIron]

Viruses mutate at a faster rate than anything... it's exponential. The flu vaccine isn't designed to keep anyone from getting the flu. It's purpose is when you get the flu, you're body won't be as ravaged from it. Now, it does have a shit efficacy rate but that's b/c of the high mutation rate. The flu shot will have 4 different strains of the attenuated virus but it doesn't matter b/c the flu will mutate more than once during a season.

For those who don't know, Corona virus is here to stay. We will have a corona season that will coincide with the flu season.

You want to talk about vaccinations you should discuss the MMR vaccine which was changed and why it's been less effective. Have you seen the recent increase in cases?

 

[Uncle manny]

Not partial on vaccinations myself. If it was an option I would not get the corona vaccine.(What about the other corona strains anyways?) There’s talk of this vaccine being mandatory and you’ll need it to travel or just be in public. How is the guy pushing for vaccines some one who doesn’t vaccinate his kids? I wonder if gates and his family will get it....

 

[Seeker]

My opinion is that if a vaccine comes out the vulnerable should seriously consider taking it. I know the flu still kills thousands of people every year but it also saves more. And yes, its my understanding if you get the flu shot and still get the flu it will be a much milder case. Corona, isn't influenza. It's a respiratory disease, that if you are vulnerable it will fuk you up and kill you. Thats why it's my opinion that if someone has respiratory problems such as asthma, obesity, emphysema and other vulnerabilities they should get the vaccine. I'm not a supporter of the way things were shut down. We can still open society and protect the weak. Lol that's another conversation. One of my brothers is a high risk due to his extreme smoking. I will knock his out and vaccine him myself if he doesn't agree.

 

[Deadhead]

I refuse to get a vaccine.

Me as well

 

[Bobbyloads]

My opinion is that if a vaccine comes out the vulnerable should seriously consider taking it. I know the flu still kills thousands of people every year but it also saves more. And yes, its my understanding if you get the flu shot and still get the flu it will be a much milder case. Corona, isn't influenza. It's a respiratory disease, that if you are vulnerable it will fuk you up and kill you. Thats why it's my opinion that if someone has respiratory problems such as asthma, obesity, emphysema and other vulnerabilities they should get the vaccine. I'm not a supporter of the way things were shut down. We can still open society and protect the weak. Lol that's another conversation. One of my brothers is a high risk due to his extreme smoking. I will knock his out and vaccine him myself if he doesn't agree.

I smoke about 2 packs a day almost and I would not get this vaccine say you make your brother take the shit and it has harsh side affects or bad reaction or ****s up some other shit. There is no way a proper working vaccine can be developed tested retested and all the kinks ironed out any time soon. Look at all the side effects the other vaccines had before they were good to go.

[h=4]Mild to Moderate Problems[/h]

• Mild rash, lasting 2-4 days.
• Swelling and tenderness of lymph nodes, lasting 2-4 weeks after the blister has healed.
• Fever of over 100°F (about 70% of children, 17% of adults) or over 102°F (about 15%-20% of children, under 2% of adults).
• Secondary blister elsewhere on the body (about 1 per 1,900).

[h=4]Moderate to Severe Problems[/h]

• Serious eye infection, or loss of vision, due to spread of vaccine virus to the eye.
• Rash on entire body (as many as 1 per 4,000).
• Severe rash on people with eczema (as many as 1 per 26,000).
• Encephalitis (severe brain reaction), which can lead to permanent brain damage (as many as 1 per 83,000).
• Severe infection beginning at the vaccination site (as many as 1 per 667,000, mostly in people with weakened immune systems).
• Death (1-2 per million, mostly in people with weakened immune systems).

[FONT=&quot]For every million people vaccinated for smallpox, between 14 and 52 could have a life-threatening reaction to smallpox vaccine.

Copied and pasted that for some reactions to vaccines not to mention what other diseases other caused in the long term. [/FONT]

 

[Flyingdragon]

The record for creating a vaccine is 4 years. Vaccines are not easy or cheap to create. Fear causes errors and mistakes in and out of the lab setting. You cant rush a vaccine, not how science works. Is is possible the smart people at Oxford stumbled upon something, time will tell.