Deca cycles - my experiences

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I have run two different Deca cycles over the years and thought I would share my experiences with each one - pros/cons. First, a little background... currently I'm 48 years old, have been lifting natural since I was around 17 years old. Been on TRT since I was 31 years old, have had numerous injuries - crushed discs in back, rotator cuff issues, supraspinatus issues, tendinitis, arthritis lol.

I did my first Deca cycle at age 45 at the urging my bodybuilding personal physician to help with joint pain. Initially, it was going to just be the therapeutic dose of 200mg/week but after some research, I decided to go on a "full" cycle #1 as follows:
Weeks 1-12: 600mg Deca
Weeks 1-12: 800mg Test E
Weeks 1-4: 50mg/day Dbol
Arimidex - 1/2 tab on the day I pinned the Test E and 1 full tab the day after

Pros: Put on 30 pounds over the cycle, kept 15 of it after I cut weight post-cycle, no joint issues, great strength gains
Cons: "Deca dick" (even with Viagra), tons of daily water gain/loss, had to sleep on a towel

Cycle #2 completed at age 48:
Weeks 1-12: 600mg/Deca
Weeks 1-12: 200mg/Test E
Weeks 1-12: 50mg/day Proviron
Weeks 1-4: 75mg/day Anavar

Pros: NO Deca dick, put on 25 pounds over the cycle and kept 15 of it after I cut weight post-cycle, great strength gains, no daily water gains/loss, no large amounts of sweating like cycle #1, no joint issues
Cons: Constantly horney (thankfully I have an understanding GF!)

Cycle #1 was based off of bro-science and everything I read on bodybuilding boards and talking to experienced bodybuilders. Cycle #2 came about because I was talking to my GF about doing another Deca cycle and she said I could do it as long as I didn't get Deca dick "because I have obligations to her" lmao, gotta love that woman! So I did a lot of research and came across cycle #2 that was used to help AIDS patients gain weight. I copied the Deca and Test dosages. I added in the Proviron to combat any potential aromatase issues, although I doubt I really needed it for that, but the one side effect of Proviron is that it made my dick very sensitive, therefore sex was much more enjoyable - men tend to lose some of the sensitivity in their dick as they age. I chose Anavar over Dbol for cycle #2 to avoid the daily yo-yo of water gain/loss and because I simply love Var. It's one my faves to stack with Test for a quick 30-day cycle.

Hope this helped anyone looking for their first or other Deca cycle. My next large post will be coming soon since I will begin my cut August 1st to do my first bodybuilding show this November... I will be 49 when I hit the stage, competing in Classic Bodybuilding. Choosing the "Classic" category since I'm not sure how much mass I'm going to lose in my legs with this cut.
 
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So, what caused the "deca dick", if not the deca? You ran the same dose both times?

I'm surprised you gained that much weight, especially considering you only ran deca for 12 weeks. I didn't even notice the deca until about week 7-8.

Last cycle of deca was 750tc/450 deca. I had tremendously high e2. Next cycle I'm either going to run high test/high deca or low/trt test and high deca.

Would you recommend the latter?
 

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Ive ran it both ways and Im more a fan of high deca low test. This goes agains what a lot of people will reccomended due to "deca dick" (which i never got). Gains were great and the sides were minimal. I also like to run deca for longer cycles, 16-20 weeks
 

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I love deca, unfortunately I’ve noticed it gives me anxiety. I’ve ran 2 deca cycles over the last 2 years. One with masterone, one without. Had some anxiety on both, but way worse w/out the mast. Never had anxiety in my life, and it goes away after about 6-8 weeks off. As much as I love it, I’m done with deca. I’m too damn old to deal with anxiety.
 

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So, what caused the "deca dick", if not the deca? You ran the same dose both times?

I'm surprised you gained that much weight, especially considering you only ran deca for 12 weeks. I didn't even notice the deca until about week 7-8.

Last cycle of deca was 750tc/450 deca. I had tremendously high e2. Next cycle I'm either going to run high test/high deca or low/trt test and high deca.

Would you recommend the latter?

From my research, I believe the "deca dick" - even though it's named after the deca - is primarily caused by the aromatization of the extra Test, hence leading me to try the lower dose of Test. Some guys still get the deca dick even when they use an AI or estrogen blocker because now they are messing with their estrogen levels and proper estrogen levels are just as important to sex drive/function as Test. I had added Proviron to battle any potential aromatase just in case and man oh man, that stuff had some great "side effects".

I have noticed the deca "hits" me around week 6 so I don't run it past 12 weeks. As I get older, I have realized that long cycles are rough on my body.
 

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From my research, I believe the "deca dick" - even though it's named after the deca - is primarily caused by the aromatization of the extra Test, hence leading me to try the lower dose of Test. Some guys still get the deca dick even when they use an AI or estrogen blocker because now they are messing with their estrogen levels and proper estrogen levels are just as important to sex drive/function as Test. I had added Proviron to battle any potential aromatase just in case and man oh man, that stuff had some great "side effects".

I have noticed the deca "hits" me around week 6 so I don't run it past 12 weeks. As I get older, I have realized that long cycles are rough on my body.

That first paragraph makes no sense to me.

Your claim is that deca dick is cause by aromatizing test.

So why does it also happen to guys running deca only?

Why does it happen to guys who don't have elevated e2 on their blood work?

Why would it happen while taking something that actually controls e2 like adex but doesn't happen with something that has no effect on e2 like proviron?

Answer: nobody knows. My own best guess is deca dick = anxiety dick. It's all upstairs imo
 

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That first paragraph makes no sense to me.

Your claim is that deca dick is cause by aromatizing test.

So why does it also happen to guys running deca only?

Why does it happen to guys who don't have elevated e2 on their blood work?

Why would it happen while taking something that actually controls e2 like adex but doesn't happen with something that has no effect on e2 like proviron?

Answer: nobody knows. My own best guess is deca dick = anxiety dick. It's all upstairs imo

I'm just trying my best to understand the science behind it all without being a biochemist. Everything I have learned and relearned has been from the medical community and reading journals so the language used isn't something I can always follow/understand.

I read the journal article about a year ago, I'll try to find it again. I could have misunderstood some of it but based off of my experiences with cycle #1 and #2, I would tend to believe it is PRIMARILY caused by too much Test. Not saying is can't or isn't caused by the Deca. Perhaps it is caused by the combo of high Test and Deca?
 

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I'm just trying my best to understand the science behind it all without being a biochemist. Everything I have learned and relearned has been from the medical community and reading journals so the language used isn't something I can always follow/understand.

I read the journal article about a year ago, I'll try to find it again. I could have misunderstood some of it but based off of my experiences with cycle #1 and #2, I would tend to believe it is PRIMARILY caused by too much Test. Not saying is can't or isn't caused by the Deca. Perhaps it is caused by the combo of high Test and Deca?

I would love to take a look at what you got. My only research comes from years on the boards of dudes freaking out about it and getting blood work done and everything appears normal. It's like chasing a ghost. A flaccid ghost tho
 

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Deca, is great!
i also have less issues when I run Test at a lower dose, then the Nandrolone.
 

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I ran a few deca cycles. last one was 20 weeks test e @ 700 and deca @ 600. awesome results with no sides. only time I had night sweats was on my last tren run. other than that its been all good.
 

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I always take cialis when running deca. Never had any problems, other than not being able to finish at times.

Cut off is 16 weeks when I run deca from now on. Ran 20 weeks last time, and the extra 4 weeks did not feel the best
 

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