I guess steroids don't work for me anymore!

[Cobra Strike]

I cant call 3J because my time with him is over. If I were to be honest his diet worked very well for me for a while. He would change it up from time to time and what I'm on now was his last change for being on gear. Not sure what else I could do to make my diet much better. i eat clean protein 300grams per day, good complex carbs, 500 grams per day, and good natural fats around 180 grams per day. These numbers are not exact but in the right ballpark.

The gear is pinnacle. Not the mao raws but he older one that was "overdosed".

I'm going to drop the ai and see if that works. Because I have had great results with good gear and a poor diet. So no results with a good diet tells me something is wrong with the gear, the ai blocks all my receptors, or my body just simply wont react to drugs anymore.

This cycle is for 14 weeks with 3 weeks of prop before the pct, so I will post back up what the results are.

I will add that my son-n-law is also running the same gear with different diet and he has nothing either. He has only ran one other cycle and it was from z. He too got nothing from that.

2 bunk cycles from z and now this. This steroid game is getting old. I took 7 years off and the whole world changed. I never had a problem getting jacked off of a 10 week cycle. Now a 10 week cycle would be a joke. Has anyone had any GOOD results from pinnacle. I know there is a lot of hype but what about actual results with pictures.

Cobra: I am coming to you next. That way if I get burned I can just hunt you down. lol.

Well I am only a refferer (spelling?) Lol

 

[Get Some]

Get your cortisol levels checked and shore up that diet. The diet that works for others may not work for you. My guess is the diet he has you on is made for someone who is looking to compete. I know I had a guy give me a similar diet years ago and I was like, "wow, the carb content looks like it's for someone who is an olympic athlete." Also, try to stay away from processed foods if you can, although I'm sure you knew that

 

[Azog]

I think you need to post up a detailed diet for some of the knowledgeable guys to look at. We have all told you what we think, but you want to believe your gear is bunk. I don't think that's the case with Pinnacle.
Maybe take a few days off the gym and diet to rest up?

 

[Jada]

I agree with Azog, I think it will be best for u just to rest for a week and I would hit up spongy to check out ur diet and maybe he could tweak it and things can start to happen.

 

[cokezero]

I think you need to post up a detailed diet for some of the knowledgeable guys to look at. We have all told you what we think, but you want to believe your gear is bunk. I don't think that's the case with Pinnacle.
Maybe take a few days off the gym and diet to rest up?

Here is my diet. Keep in mind that the amounts are really the only thing different. I have added quite a bit to this.

I never said the gear was bunk. I said something is wrong. I feel all the effects of steroids just no muscle changes. no gains or not getting any leaner. I took 4 days off the gym and got plenty of sleep and still nothing.

Guys I appreciate all the advice. I want to clear up something. This is in NO WAY trying to say pinnacle gear is bunk. I think there gear is good. I feel like its me or something i'm doing thats why I'm asking for y'alls opinions.

 

[Azog]

That's almost exactly the diet that gave me issues when I was with 3j. Hahaha
That diet took me from like 210 12% to like 240 20%!

 

[DADAWG]

That's almost exactly the diet that gave me issues when I was with 3j. Hahaha
That diet took me from like 210 12% to like 240 20%!

i realize that its rough estimates but before at 12% you were at 184.8 # lean mass and at 240 # lean mass was 192# so at least you made gains in mass lol.

 

[chicken wing]

Lol. He gave me the same diet? Put on some fat

 

[Azog]

i realize that its rough estimates but before at 12% you were at 184.8 # lean mass and at 240 # lean mass was 192# so at least you made gains in mass lol.

Hahahaha I guess. Lets get back on topic and help this bro out! Hopefully spongy will chime in.

 

[beasto]

This 3J's diet is not working for you! Sure he's pulled form 3 protein sources and 3 carb sources. But from the sounds of it he's using this similar diet for everyone! Well it doesn't work that way. Even when I bulk I stay with eating a couple lbs of halibut, mahi mahi, daily. I would get with Sponge and i'm sure he can help you out and get you on the right track bro.

 

[69nites]

I'm not exactly a diet wizard but that's a whole lot of meals with both high fats and high carbs.

That will make me fat no matter how clean the sources are.

 

[Rage Strength]

WAYY too much fat, too little protein.

 

[Illtemper]

Since your losing weight and not building muscle have you tried to sway and try different food with 3js diet?

Maybe try sweet potatoes in a couple meals or 10oz of lean beef to change it up..Its possible your body doesn't use the rice as efficiently as someone else. I read awhile ago that some people process foods differently in there body and metabolize at different rates than other people and to where potatoes might help you more than rice. Same goes for the chicken and beef, its good to throw a steak in there a few times a week to get the minerials and vitamins that is in beef..

Now this is just stuff I read and personal experience, so don't flame me for posting this. I'm not dietician by any mean but when I notice numbers going the wrong way or not liking what I see in the mirror I changes things for a couple weeks to see what'll happen...

I'm interested to see what other say!

 

[cokezero]

I do change my meals as far as from chicken to beef, or beef to steak. I also switch up my carbs daily. I use red potatoes, sweet potatoes, and brown rice.

I have had several friends that have gotten kidney stones lately and all the doctors are telling them that its from to high of a protein intake. Thats why I only take in 300grams per day since I only weigh 180lbs. Yall ever heard of this?

If the fats seem high and the carbs seem high, then how do I raise my calorie intake?

I am going to contact spongy and see what he charges. I am broke as all get out right now. go figure I spent it all on food.
thanks again guys.

 

[SFGiants]

I do change my meals as far as from chicken to beef, or beef to steak. I also switch up my carbs daily. I use red potatoes, sweet potatoes, and brown rice.

I have had several friends that have gotten kidney stones lately and all the doctors are telling them that its from to high of a protein intake. Thats why I only take in 300grams per day since I only weigh 180lbs. Yall ever heard of this?

If the fats seem high and the carbs seem high, then how do I raise my calorie intake?

I am going to contact spongy and see what he charges. I am broke as all get out right now. go figure I spent it all on food.
thanks again guys.

Steak is beef bro! (Joking around not flaming)

 

[AndroSport]

Not to step off topic or be rude... and I know this one doesn't happen to work for you but now that you have gotten some input I would possibly suggest editing your full diet layout post?

I understand everything is custom tailored per person but for guys like Spongey or 3J someone may choose to copy that diet and use it for themselves instead of getting customized professional help from them and then these guys, the diet professionals, loose out.

Whether you like the guy you are working with or not I think that may not be good to leave in open forum. Just my opinion - do what you like with the post.

 

[69nites]

I do change my meals as far as from chicken to beef, or beef to steak. I also switch up my carbs daily. I use red potatoes, sweet potatoes, and brown rice.

I have had several friends that have gotten kidney stones lately and all the doctors are telling them that its from to high of a protein intake. Thats why I only take in 300grams per day since I only weigh 180lbs. Yall ever heard of this?

If the fats seem high and the carbs seem high, then how do I raise my calorie intake?

I am going to contact spongy and see what he charges. I am broke as all get out right now. go figure I spent it all on food.
thanks again guys.

For me as an endo carbs are for breakfast, pre, and post workout only. In those Carb meals I take in minimal fats.

Mixing high carbs and fats in the same meal make me gainthe wrong kind of weight

 

[SFGiants]

Man, you all need to switch over to Powerlifting!

 

[cokezero]

Man, you all need to switch over to Powerlifting!

I am just a bodybuilder.

 

[DADAWG]

I would NEVER powerlift. My wife just read that and laughed her head off. she asked if I would lose my six pack so she could pry apart my fat. Most women like guys with definition. I would only bodybuild. SO THANKS BUT NO THANKS!!!!!

By the way lean ground beef and a new york strip have very different calories. So when you say beef if beef that is true but not true.

You show me a lean good looking powerlifter and I will start powerlifting. I dont' lift to brag, I lift to have others brag about me.

lol people only notice the heavyweight powerlifters but the weight classes start at barely over 100 pounds for men , ive worked out with many many lean and shredded powerlifters over the years , some could have been very good bodybuilders and other didnt have the genetics due to big joints , etc. . im not telling you what you should do , just saying you have a BIG misconception of powerlifters.