Deca vs. Primo

BigBaldBeardGuy said:

I don’t know, EQ is weird since it was developed specifically for vet use and was never medically used in humans.

I know Mike Arnold wrote a pretty good article explaining that one of the metabolites of EQ has anti-estrogenic effects. Again, no medical literature will be available. It was never studied for human use.

So all reports of EQ lowering estrogen would be based on experience. Everyone is different and there’s a lot of variables involved = bad science.

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Send0 said:

My personal experience with it was fine when I was younger. However I ran it for my recomp at the start of last year, and it dropped my E2 from 35 pg/ml all the way down to 4pg/ml.

Like you said, a very individual thing. And apparently can even change how some people react to it as we age.

Fun fact, I believe boldenone is naturally produced by a type of beetle, and also is a metabolite produced in some plants.

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TODAY said:

One wonders if some of these reports re: primo crashing E2 levels are the result of unscrupulous UGLs selling boldenone as primo.

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BigBaldBeardGuy said:

Fun fact: at that same time, nandrolone was used to treat the black boob death. So was testosterone and even more shockingly, halotestin (at 10-40 mg 3x/day ). Masteron wasn’t developed as an AI. It was developed by Syntex (Mexican pharma company that also developed other steroids) as a steroid and was used like the other AAS to treat black boob death in women. At the time, androgens were all they had and they were increasing the androgen to estrogen ratio to reduce the effects of estrogen at the breast tissue. Masteron does nothing to control/inhibit/block estrogen. Pre-menopausal women NEED estrogen because, well, they are women.

When black boob death was studied in further advancements, they were able to develop SERMS such as nolvadex (the most widely prescribed medication to treat black boob death). Later, they were able to develop AIs like arimidex and exemestane but the AIs are reserved for post-menopausal women because again, younger women need estrogen.

DHT derived steroids are androgenic but they don’t have any properties or mechanisms to block/inhibit or control estrogen. Just like many of us know, keeping your testosterone to estrogen level high allows your body to tolerate higher estrogen levels (as confirmed all the time with guys that have estrogen levels in the 100-200 range with no gyno or elevated estrogen sides). This is because your androgen to estrogen ratio is high. You can raise your androgen to estrogen ratio using DHT derived compounds like masteron/primo without any additional aromatization.

There is not one single medical document/study/source showing masteron or primobolan reduces/controls/inhibits estrogen or has any affect on aromatase. If you find a medical source and post it, I will be a fat kid and happily eat all of my words above.

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Send0 said:

That's a good point, especially since primo is known to be faked.

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CJ said:

Hydrox are better than Oreos. Fake > Real

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BigBaldBeardGuy said:

Fun fact: at that same time, nandrolone was used to treat the black boob death. So was testosterone and even more shockingly, halotestin (at 10-40 mg 3x/day ). Masteron wasn’t developed as an AI. It was developed by Syntex (Mexican pharma company that also developed other steroids) as a steroid and was used like the other AAS to treat black boob death in women. At the time, androgens were all they had and they were increasing the androgen to estrogen ratio to reduce the effects of estrogen at the breast tissue. Masteron does nothing to control/inhibit/block estrogen. Pre-menopausal women NEED estrogen because, well, they are women.

When black boob death was studied in further advancements, they were able to develop SERMS such as nolvadex (the most widely prescribed medication to treat black boob death). Later, they were able to develop AIs like arimidex and exemestane but the AIs are reserved for post-menopausal women because again, younger women need estrogen.

DHT derived steroids are androgenic but they don’t have any properties or mechanisms to block/inhibit or control estrogen. Just like many of us know, keeping your testosterone to estrogen level high allows your body to tolerate higher estrogen levels (as confirmed all the time with guys that have estrogen levels in the 100-200 range with no gyno or elevated estrogen sides). This is because your androgen to estrogen ratio is high. You can raise your androgen to estrogen ratio using DHT derived compounds like masteron/primo without any additional aromatization.

There is not one single medical document/study/source showing masteron or primobolan reduces/controls/inhibits estrogen or has any affect on aromatase. If you find a medical source and post it, I will be a fat kid and happily eat all of my words above.

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silentlemon1011 said:

I'm impressed
You answered a question in full.
lol


Surprisingly its not faked as much as you would think.
I think @janoshik mentioned a few years back that Primo is not nearly as faked as many would have you think

Inly one I can think of in recent memory is Gentec, their 100mg Primo was under dosed Test E

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janoshik said:

Well, there's always this bias in that data - mostly people that are at least somehow versed online send samples to me.

I'm rather sure the results would look worse if I was better known not in the online community, but in the gym-bro-buying-under-counter-oils community.

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Methyl mike said:

A while back goodlyfe had sent you samples from his latest batch of HGH and you reported that they were testing more pure than recent pharma and that they were just about as pure as your reference sample. Shortly thereafter I was banned from meso and I did not follow what happened after. Did I miss anything? Because I instantly bought 5 kits of that GH based soley on YOUR data. The whole janoshik schtick I'm not sure I believe you are truly a neutral third party anymore.

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Mdwstrn said:

Gearing up, quite literally , to start another cycle…

I’ve done 400 mg of Deca in previous cycles and learned the importance of managing prolactin levels. I’ve recently read that primo and Deca can be somewhat similar as far as benefits. I’ve ran one cycle of primo before at 600 mg; didn’t notice any sides but also not great results either (I could have had a bad source I presume).

For this next cycle, I’d like to increase some dosages and if I could substitute primo for deca I’d have one less thing to manage (prolactin).

Thoughts? Is Primo’s and Deca’s benefits similar?

TIA

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Superman said:

Save money on the primo, use the extra cash and buy more deca. You and your joints will thank me later.

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RiR0 said:

So he wants to better manage sides so he should take more deca?

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Superman said:

That's not what I said. The question boiled down to primo vs deca benefits. I think Deca is gonna yield better results.

I also think managing side effects is part and parcel of using AAS properly

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Superman said:

That's not what I said. The question boiled down to primo vs deca benefits. I think Deca is gonna yield better results.

I also think managing side effects is part and parcel of using AAS properly

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CJ said:

Wouldn't managing side effects be using compounds that don't give you problems, or smaller doses of one's that do?

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RiR0 said:

I know what you said and I also know what was asked.
You think deca is more beneficial. Did he say he had joint problems? Or did he mention managing sides?
I’d put the actual lean tissue of primo gained against deca any day.

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janoshik said:

So we go from requesting a spoonfeed to saying you bought something solely on my word to suspecting I'm schtick within a single post?

okay.

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Superman said:

The OP said he didn't see much from using primo. Maybe he did get a bunk source. But the question boiled down to what was gonna produce better results.

For me it would be deca, and FWIW the OP did state he had learned the importance of managing his prolactin sides with decades.

Either way my intention isn't to ruffle feathers and get into a passing contest. Good luck to the OP.

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TiredandHot said:

You're good man, we're all entitled to our opinions. I'd imagine there are other guys who might agree with you as well about deca. I've never used it, nor will.

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Methyl mike said:

Hey that's really great, it's great you are a close minded pussy. Let the whole world know, scream jt from the rooftops. WORLD I AM A FAGGOT PUSSY AND THATS SOOPER GREAT THANK YOU MOM THANK YOU PAW!!! Because the world needs more people just like you in it.

Except it doesn't.

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