Cycle planning Dbol - Tren/test/mast

[Riot]

Ah OK, I've seen some people say they don't need any AI on 500 dose. I thought I'd mention I did need it though in case it was an indicator that I'm more at risk, knowing dbol is supposed to not play nice with it either

 

[CJ]

Ah OK, I've seen some people say they don't need any AI on 500 dose. I thought I'd mention I did need it though in case it was an indicator that I'm more at risk, knowing dbol is supposed to not play nice with it either

If you never left the normal range, you probably didn't. Whatever you do, do NOT crash your estrogen. You need it to grow, for sexual function, for lots of other stuff too..

Slightly elevated is fine on cycle, as long as you're not getting symptoms, like itchy puffy nips.

 

[BigSwolePump]

I never understood why guys are in such a hurry to add so many compounds. You can do test only cycles for years and get phenomenal gains. The sooner you add other compounds the sooner you stop responding as well to them. Every compound that you use is going to work its best the first time that you use it. Once you have, it is never going to be the same. You will have to use more and more to achieve less results than the first time.

Do yourself a favor and save tren for years down the road when things like deca or masteron arent enough of a boost. As far as dbol, drol or anavar, us them as a kickstart whenever. They are all temporary gains that help get your cycle started. I don't know anyone who can honestly say that their oral gains were permanent.

Up your test maybe to 600 or 700 and add some dbol at the beginning and if you just have an itch that you can't shake, do something like test 400-500mg/wk and deca 300-400mg/wk. If you can't grow like a weed on that, you are missing the key components of diet and training.

Good luck on whatever you decide.

 

[Riot]

OK I lied, just check I slightly went out of range but not by much
I did feel like my nipples got fatter and one did itch a bit. Nothing bad though.

 

[Riot]

I never understood why guys are in such a hurry to add so many compounds. You can do test only cycles for years and get phenomenal gains. The sooner you add other compounds the sooner you stop responding as well to them. Every compound that you use is going to work its best the first time that you use it. Once you have, it is never going to be the same. You will have to use more and more to achieve less results than the first time.

Do yourself a favor and save tren for years down the road when things like deca or masteron arent enough of a boost. As far as dbol, drol or anavar, us them as a kickstart whenever. They are all temporary gains that help get your cycle started. I don't know anyone who can honestly say that their oral gains were permanent.

Up your test maybe to 600 or 700 and add some dbol at the beginning and if you just have an itch that you can't shake, do something like test 400-500mg/wk and deca 300-400mg/wk. If you can't grow like a weed on that, you are missing the key components of diet and training.

Good luck on whatever you decide.

Thanks man, I didn't think the orals were mainly a kick starter but they do all boast big strength increases so makes sense.

I've heard deca can cause Mr Winky to not stand up straight... I cam put up with liver failure but that would piss me off lol

 

[Trump]

0.5mg caber twice a week will counter any limp dick off deca

Thanks man, I didn't think the orals were mainly a kick starter but they do all boast big strength increases so makes sense.

I've heard deca can cause Mr Winky to not stand up straight... I cam put up with liver failure but that would piss me off lol

 

[Riot]

0.5mg caber twice a week will counter any limp dick off deca

Good to know! Does it work for having 15 pints too?

 

[CJ]

I've heard deca can cause Mr Winky to not stand up straight... I cam put up with liver failure but that would piss me off lol

I recently used 200 Test and 400 NPP(fast Deca) for 12 weeks. Zero side effects. Gained about 20 lbs. Prolactin levels were in the low normal range.

 

[Trump]

15 pints 0.5mg caber, 100mg viagra 40mg cialis and a shot of test base 2 hours before works though. Throw in some proviron and she will be leaving walking like John Wayne

Good to know! Does it work for having 15 pints too?

 

[brock8282]

OK I lied, just check I slightly went out of range but not by much
I did feel like my nipples got fatter and one did itch a bit. Nothing bad though.
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im not familiar with that reference range, the numbers I mentioned earlier were based on pg/mL which normal is roughly 25-50 (don't quote me on the exact range).
this number you had is totally normal for 500mg and would be referable for growing, you would only want to consider ai use if you are having gyno flare ups and or extremely gyno prone (would probably know this from puberty)

 

[Bro Bundy]

I have no theory or reason behind it I just remember reading somewhere it’s a bad idea. Not sure the reason

Mostly cause it made me feel like shit . As far as gains it works great

 

[Sicwun88]

Hey again people. "The time has come, the Walrus said, To talk of many things"

I've done a successful cycle and been off for a while now and getting the itch to start again.

Blood back in yesterday all looking good with only my cholesterol highish but still in the green! So happy everything came back normal. Looks like my body responded well and my source was legit

I'm wanting to move onto some bigger better (and riskier) things this time though. No pain no gain right?

I wanting to build size while not getting too bloated / fat, like I'm sure most people say lol. My E2 did go up on 500 test and I did need AI to bring it back so I'm not like some people who never need it. Listened to my body and got that in check with 12.5 adex E3d.

Wanting to try a 12 week blast. I want to try tren and have a mate who uses a blend that he swears by. It's called TTM, tren test mast, and is a enanthate with 110 each per 1 ml. So taking a ml Mon ml Thurs for 220 tren 220 test and 220 mast per week. I wanted to try a kick start with dbol as its supposed to be crazy good. As its harsh I feel my AI game will need to go up just not sure how much, thinking 12.5ED? To the end I was going to swap to Tbol to try to come off the cycle not as water bloated. This is my plan
TTM 1-12 Not sure length yet wanted to hear feedback about what this may do to my body and feel for some advice.
Dbol wk 1-4
Tbol week 8-12

Ai will be higher at the start and should be able to lower it after the dbol gets dropped.

Please can anyone offer any advice on the above, any recommendations on doses for the orals and AI? Ive read some use nolva other aromasin /adex...
Also, thoughts on blend? Worth it or get tren and test seperate?

Thanks guys. Look forward to hearing some advice here.

I don't think you should run tren
With D-bol
Do some research
The board has a lot to offer,
I see alot of people doing things first,
Then asking questions?
I.may be wrong but
I think it's supposed to be the other way around! Good luck