Bloods: What could have caused the damage?

[hallehason]

Hello.

I recently got bloods done because I’m mid cycle, I also got one before I started the cycle. As you can see some of the markers are out of range. I stumbled upon a thread where someone stated that fake Primo could ruin some blood-markers depending on the substance replaced for Primo. Anyhow i’m very mentally fatigued, so I can not really function properly. If there is any information missing, let me know and I’ll post it in the thread.

I’m doing a ”mild” cycle because of prior abuse and damage done to my body that i’ve recovered from. Have been off for a year doing TRT at 115mg Test weekly (without hcg, preg, dhea). I’ve had elevated Prolactin for a long time as you can see on the bloods done 11/03, thinking maybe the use of tren/deca (1 year ago) is contributing to this.

Current cycle:

Started 30th of May

400 Primo E EW (split in two doses on two days)
175 Test P EW (25mg daily becaue of E2)
5mg Cialis ED
Used Caber because of high prolactin, that explains why my Prolactin now is non-exsistent.
I’ve used modafinil 100mg maybe two-three times a month whenever my sleep is very bad.


Symptoms:
Fatigued (low Prolactin, low e2 and high TSH explains this)
Gallbladder can not even handle 10g’s of fat without cramping and being inflamed (not sure about this one, but gallbladder issues are connected to Hypothyroidism)
Anhedonia
Low motivation
Low Dopamine
Bad sleep (waking up very tired and foggy brain)
24/7 clogged nose (maybe cialis?)

Pre existing conditions:
Hypothyroidism (Hashimotos, on 50mcg t4 for this, just added 12.5 T3 because of the high TSH, the goal is for TSH to be around 1)

What’s concerning me is the kidneys, Apolipoprotein, high iron, high progesteron and cholesterol. Not sure what to do for these.

I’m donating blood for the high hematocrit, not using more Caber because of crashed Prolactin, i’m also adding 12,5mcg T3 to my 50mcg T4 to lower TSH.

Got some gyno (from the high progesterone?) that i’m combating with Ralox when it arrives). I’m not using iron pans nor iron supplements regarding the high Iron.

Stats:
35
187cm
101kg

Diet: Paleo AIP because of Hashimotos Hypothyroidism

This is in Swedish, so just let me know if translation is needed.

Järn=Iron
Natrium=Sodium
Kalium=Potassium

I also have bloods on both DHEA and a Progesteron done 29th of March which resulted in:

S-DHEAS 6.1 Mikromol/L
S-Progesteron L


June 15th, 175 test, 400primo and 5mg cialis daily

March 11th, only on 115mg Test weekly here:

 

[TODAY]

Hashimoto's can influence ApoB and overall lipids

As can high dietary saturated fat (as is often seen with paleo diets)

Your hematology numbers could be the result of androgen use

Ditto the kidney markers.

I would STRONGLY recommend that you drop back down to TRT and then re-test.

The totality of your health concerns/symptoms do not an ideal scenario for anabolic usage make.

 

[TODAY]

Also of note:

Thyroid releasing hormone and thyroid stimulating hormone can both cause prolactin issues.

 

[silentlemon1011]

Hashimoto's can influence ApoB and overall lipids

As can high dietary saturated fat (as is often seen with paleo diets)

Your hematology numbers could be the result of androgen use

Ditto the kidney markers.

I would STRONGLY recommend that you drop back down to TRT and then re-test.

The totality of your health concerns/symptoms do not an ideal scenario for anabolic usage make.

Can confirm
I have Hashimoto's and overall lipids can be a pain

 

[hallehason]

Hashimoto's can influence ApoB and overall lipids

As can high dietary saturated fat (as is often seen with paleo diets)

Your hematology numbers could be the result of androgen use

Ditto the kidney markers.

I would STRONGLY recommend that you drop back down to TRT and then re-test.

The totality of your health concerns/symptoms do not an ideal scenario for anabolic usage make.

I’ve had apoB and A out of range since 5 years back. Just recently got in in good range as you can see In the bloods done during March month.

I’m wondering about the high iron, could be culprit for the thick blood? I’m on aspirin daily, used with Glycine to not damage stomach lining.

I’ll drop back to TRT and get my health in a better condition. Seems like i have larger Lymph nodes on the neck aswell that are a little bit painful.. could be the ”Primo” that is not clean, not sure though.

 

[hallehason]

Also of note:

Thyroid releasing hormone and thyroid stimulating hormone can both cause prolactin issues.

Yeah i’ve noticed this aswell, when TSH is high, TRH seems to get triggered aswell, hence the Prolactin release

 

[TODAY]

Yeah i’ve noticed this aswell, when TSH is high, TRH seems to get triggered aswell, hence the Prolactin release

Progesterone can be effected by this cascade, as well.

As for the thick blood, I'd bet that the root cause is NOT the iron, but the increased erythropoiesis from androgen use.

 

[hallehason]

Progesterone can be effected by this cascade, as well.

As for the thick blood, I'd bet that the root cause is NOT the iron, but the increased erythropoiesis from androgen use.

Allright, i’ve increased my T4 from 50>75 and added 12.5 T3 daily.

Hmm okay, i’ve never had these high iron levels. And even though i’ve used 3-4g oils weekly in my past, my hemotocrit/hemoglobin was never raised. Anyhow i’ve added Aspirin.

How would you support the kidneys aswell as increase prolactin? Im thinking to let my body level the low Prolactin/Estrogen without support. Also thinking about quitting TRT and resetting HPTA.

I’ve not used HCG/preg/DHEA. I’m not able tog get Pregnenolone bloods in my country, unfortionately. But whenever I used big amounts of gear, I was always on HCG and I felt so good. During the past year of only TRT, I’ve been not feeling so good.

 

[TODAY]

Allright, i’ve increased my T4 from 50>75 and added 12.5 T3 daily.

Hmm okay, i’ve never had these high iron levels. And even though i’ve used 3-4g oils weekly in my past, my hemotocrit/hemoglobin was never raised. Anyhow i’ve added Aspirin.

How would you support the kidneys aswell as increase prolactin? Im thinking to let my body level the low Prolactin/Estrogen without support. Also thinking about quitting TRT and resetting HPTA.

I’ve not used HCG/preg/DHEA. I’m not able tog get Pregnenolone bloods in my country, unfortionately. But whenever I used big amounts of gear, I was always on HCG and I felt so good. During the past year of only TRT, I’ve been not feeling so good.

I'd definitely recommend dropping down to a TRT dose.

As far as the kidneys go, it might also be worth looking at your hydration and electrolyte balance. Have you taken the time to plug a day's worth of eating into cronometer to asses electrolyte and general micronutrient intake?

 

[hallehason]

I'd definitely recommend dropping down to a TRT dose.

As far as the kidneys go, it might also be worth looking at your hydration and electrolyte balance. Have you taken the time to plug a day's worth of eating into cronometer to asses electrolyte and general micronutrient intake?

What is your opinion on backfilling TRT as test does not only shut down the testosterone production, but also a lot of other hormones/neurosteroids.

Im going down to 115 test weekly as a TRT and get some bloods around 3 weeks in.

I drink around 5-6L of water daily, filtrated.

I use plenty of pink himalayan salt around my workouts and after Sauna. I use a electrolyte blend that I sip on during the days when it is hot outsite.

Yes I track daily macros/micros, is there specific ones you though about? I do not consume much calcium daily.

I think my adrenals is whack, I do have a lot of stress and I used to be way better at handling stress, it used to not affect me at all. Now even small things are making me stressed out for some reason.

I’ve only stopped taking a vitamin B complex as it stressed me out a bit, someone mentioned ”undermethylation” to be the cause of this.

 

[j2048b]

Can confirm
I have Hashimoto's and overall lipids can be a pain

Can it cause super high cholesterol? Such as high ldl?

 

[silentlemon1011]

Can it cause super high cholesterol? Such as high ldl?

Im not FULLY familiar
But there is a big correlation between thyroid hormones and Lipid values.
maybe @TODAY will back me up if im wrong...
But there is a converaiin from IDL to LDL and HDL to LDL based on thyroid hormones, or more accurately, lack there of

Considerinf we can see the alternate occur with Hyperthyroidism

 

[TODAY]

Im not FULLY familiar
But there is a big correlation between thyroid hormones and Lipid values.
maybe @TODAY will back me up if im wrong...
But there is a converaiin from IDL to LDL and HDL to LDL based on thyroid hormones, or more accurately, lack there of

Considerinf we can see the alternate occur with Hyperthyroidism

There are a couple of factors at play, but the major one has to do with liver function.

Thyroid hormones aid in a number of liver processes that regulate blood lipids. Lower thyroid hormone levels therefore often lead to higher circulating triglycerides, ldl, etc.

 

[silentlemon1011]

There are a couple of factors at play, but the major one has to do with liver function.

Thyroid hormones aid in a number of liver processes that regulate blood lipids. Lower thyroid hormone levels therefore often lead to higher circulating triglycerides, ldl, etc.

That helps clarify a bit, was missing that link

 

[j2048b]

There are a couple of factors at play, but the major one has to do with liver function.

Thyroid hormones aid in a number of liver processes that regulate blood lipids. Lower thyroid hormone levels therefore often lead to higher circulating triglycerides, ldl, etc.

Well fuck ive had high ldl since 2005 ish with no answers…. Both family members had hashimotos and ive been checked but i always wondered if perhaps it could corolate to thyroid, what to do now?

And at one time they said they found cysts on my liver but checked again last year and couldnt find them again?

Shit im willing to experiment with errythang gh, t4, t3 u name it hahaha come at me

 

[silentlemon1011]

Well fuck ive had high ldl since 2005 ish with no answers…. Both family members had hashimotos and ive been checked but i always wondered if perhaps it could corolate to thyroid, what to do now?

And at one time they said they found cysts on my liver but checked again last year and couldnt find them again?

Shit im willing to experiment with errythang gh, t4, t3 u name it hahaha come at me

How do your eyebrows look?

 

[j2048b]

How do your eyebrows look?

Like eye brows?? Hahahaha

They arent thin, i shave em but honestly lately my hair grown has super stopped i havent had to get a hair cut on top or bottom in some time…. And havent had to trim my eye brows for the same amount of time and its not normal for me, usually hair cut every couple weeks and cleanen da boys

 

[silentlemon1011]

Like eye brows?? Hahahaha

They arent thin, i shave em but honestly lately my hair grown has super stopped i havent had to get a hair cut on top or bottom in some time…. And havent had to trim my eye brows for the same amount of time and its not normal for me, usually hair cut every couple weeks and cleanen da boys

Worth a shot in the dark lol

The first sign i got was my eyebrows dissapeared

The doctor that gave me my bloodwork requisition said it was a common diagnostic tool to carch Hashimoto's.

And yes
They never come back lol

 

[hallehason]

Like eye brows?? Hahahaha

They arent thin, i shave em but honestly lately my hair grown has super stopped i havent had to get a hair cut on top or bottom in some time…. And havent had to trim my eye brows for the same amount of time and its not normal for me, usually hair cut every couple weeks and cleanen da boys

Get tested, full thyroid panel with antibodies for Hashimotos.

Do you have any other symptoms?

 

[Achillesking]

Worth a shot in the dark lol

The first sign i got was my eyebrows dissapeared

The doctor that gave me my bloodwork requisition said it was a common diagnostic tool to carch Hashimoto's.

And yes
They never come back lol

That's hot.