How to address oral only proposals

[nightster]

Add me into the prohoromone group. I only ran one cycle in my mid to late 30s I saw better gains, but I got sick and it killed my natual production and I'm now on trt in my early 40s.

 

[HollyWoodCole]

I ran Super DMZ Rx back in the day and loved it, obviously ran it solo and that was prior to finding my good friends and new home at UG/SI. Tried AndroMass and that was useless AF.

Both of those products were purchased legally online and I actually still have some of the DMZ. If these kids are going to have to buy an illegal substance anyway and take that risk, why not point out to them the right way to do it and be able to hold on to some of their gains if they listen to a fraction of what we have to say? Would feel irresponsible if we didn't.

Once I took the leap and decided to try real AAS I educated myself in a maniacal manner, it was all I could think about. I read constantly for nearly a year to prepare myself as well as I could. When people come here I wouldn't expect them to have the same mindset that I had when I decided to pull the trigger on test or the one that I have now. Some of you were on 'Ology like me and the stupendous amount of disinformation and bro-science is baffling even to the sharpest of us.

I consider UG/SI to be a far different community than the rest of those fuks, so when they arrive with stupid ideas of running oral only cycles its not surprising because another 17 year old likely told them it was a great idea. Nothing wrong with straightening them out with at least providing some unbiased information based on experience IMO.

Cole out.

 

[KINGIV]

Out of curiosity back when I was 19 I did do a 6 week dianabol only cycle. This was in 1984. I'm willing to bet that some of the other guys who've been around for a long time have as well, whether they admit it or not. What did I get? Water gain and sore titties for a month afterword. Any gains I got were gone within that month as well. Did it hurt me in the long run? No. Was it pointless? Yes.

Another thing I will point out. I hear a lot of talk about destroying your liver. Yet how many of those same guys beat that liver up on the weekends, or more, with alcohol.

Some excellent points made above. My impression of the guy asking about oral only cycles is that of immediate gratification with putting in as little work as possible. You get what you pay for.

Yeah, I did the same thing except it was 4 weeks. D-bol only was a waste of my time and money. I would have rather spent that money on alcohol, it would have been more fun. In all honesty though I got shut down harder from a transdermal prohormone I was taking when I was a teenager then I did d-bol.

Testosterone is the best way to go, sides are very manageable and the benefits are huge and I was able to keep some of my gains.

Testosterone only cycle is like 2 steps forward 1 step back.

Dbol only cycle is pretty much 2 steps forward 2 steps back and for me it had too many sides to even enjoy it before I lost it all.

 

[Maijah]

Friend of mine had been on quite the journey, he used to weigh 300 lbs at 5'11 all fat. He has been Natty and has managed to get down to a 220 lb very impressive physique. He is hooked on gnc bullshit supps and will not listen to anything I say. That being said he is about to start a tbol only cycle ( needles are for the devil...) He just can't get pass the pinning himself mental aspect, soooo it's tbol for the win. I'm curious to see how it works for him, his nutrition is good and he trains right so I'm curious myself as to how he's gonna make out

 

[stevenmd]

Maijah... dat forearm in your avatar... dang son!

 

[Bro Bundy]

its a waste of time and dbol

 

[Bro Bundy]

it also makes a person sound like such a pussy when i here oral only

 

[Gadawg]

My wife does oral only but it's mostly when she's ragging it.

 

[MrRippedZilla]

Curious though, is it possible that oral only would be a good idea to get a quick feel for how powerful this stuff is? And what better way to learn how to manage your estradiol than dbol only lol
Maybe it wouldn't actually be so bad to start off with orals?
Just thinking out loud. Please discuss

I fail to see how Dbol would prepare anyone for future cycles if we're still under the assumption that Test should be the base for all the cycles, which it should.
Different side effect profile, different method of administration, different half life, etc, etc. Getting ready for Test by using a completely different type of AAS makes no sense to me. Specificity is the name of the game, etc - I don't need to preach to you about this stuff.

If people want to "get a quick feel for how powerful this stuff is" while still being in the ballpark in terms of relevant application, then use a lower dose than commonly recommended (say 300mg vs 500mg) and switch to something like Test prop that works quicker. It'll also help alleviate the fear of needles since you're doing it more often - keep facing your fear and eventually it's no longer a fear and all that jazz.

I agree with not scare mongering people. Making it very clear that oral only is sub-optimal, which it is, and leave it at that. If they wish to ignore what they don't want to hear, which happens most of the time, that's on them

Also, while not entirely relevant to this thread, I completely disagree with the recommendation to start with Dbol & Test for a first cycle in one of our stickies. You don't know how to handle either alone but starting with both is fine? Yea..bullshit. Shouldn't be a sticky IMO.

 

[Viduus]

I think you bring up some good points.

I’ve learned from you guys that oral only is a bad idea for the numerous reasons listed in this thread. I even quote how it’s bad for your liver or kidneys but if I’m being honest with myself I have never seen the science to back it up.

We should at least be able to reference how and why it’s bad and correctly put it on the scale of “badness”. I.e you won’t die but...

 

[Gadawg]

I think you bring up some good points.

I’ve learned from you guys that oral only is a bad idea for the numerous reasons listed in this thread. I even quote how it’s bad for your liver or kidneys but if I’m being honest with myself I have never seen the science to back it up.

We should at least be able to reference how and why it’s bad and correctly put it on the scale of “badness”. I.e you won’t die but...

It is safe to assume that anyone using oral steroids will see a jump in liver enzymes?

 

[KINGIV]

The more experience you have, the more laughable it is to think of an oral cycle. It's a stupid idea at the end of the day. I'll tell them what I did and they can learn from me or be a dumbass and do what they want which they probably will. I'm no one's babysitter, they'll live and learn

 

[Viduus]

It is safe to assume that anyone using oral steroids will see a jump in liver enzymes?

Sure it seems logical but but so does “doing drugs is bad”. Pillar makes a good point that we have higher standards around here.

I should be able to point to some reference material, statistic or study. I’m sure there’s a million out there to back you up but I haven’t spent the 10 minutes necessary to do the research. This hasn’t stopped me from posting that advice though which is a flaw on my behalf.

 

[HollyWoodCole]

I think you bring up some good points.

I’ve learned from you guys that oral only is a bad idea for the numerous reasons listed in this thread. I even quote how it’s bad for your liver or kidneys but if I’m being honest with myself I have never seen the science to back it up.

We should at least be able to reference how and why it’s bad and correctly put it on the scale of “badness”. I.e you won’t die but...

Unfortunately you won't be able to find many unbiased reports on how toxic dbol is to the liver, no one in the US will really touch many experiments or panels on AAS due to our laws on the same.

What we can say is that dbol is methylated and that is proven to be toxic to the liver, this is known.

 

[Blusoul24]

Excellent thread. Thanks!

 

[Gadawg]

Unfortunately you won't be able to find many unbiased reports on how toxic dbol is to the liver, no one in the US will really touch many experiments or panels on AAS due to our laws on the same.

What we can say is that dbol is methylated and that is proven to be toxic to the liver, this is known.

But at the same time, alcohol is "toxic" to the liver but most people can abuse alcohol for an extremely long time without getting bad bloodwork. I guess Im wondering how hard it is on you really.

 

[HollyWoodCole]

But at the same time, alcohol is "toxic" to the liver but most people can abuse alcohol for an extremely long time without getting bad bloodwork. I guess Im wondering how hard it is on you really.

Most people that abuse alcohol regularly are unlikely to be getting consistent bloodwork completed.

The best that can be offered is to run some dbol get bloodwork done yourself or check out where several people have done the same on here in the past.

 

[j2048b]

dayummm i thought this post was something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT!! damn i was looken for pointers..... legs wrapped around my head, tongue jabs, abc's, backward snake type motions... i degres....shit like that hahahah

tbh, most are probably going that route due to ease of buying, and watching all these youtube people like zzzy or what ever his name was that ended up dead anyways... RIP anyways...

but if u look at a lot of the past greats deca and dbol were the choice of many, some even would bridge with just dbol between cycles etc.... so id just suggest they keep an eye on their organs, and use small 1-5 mlg per day of any oral and then venture into test etc... IF there is no talking them out of it.... i mean dbol var, etc... they expect to swole up and get striations and the whole kitten kaboodle all instead of being patient and putting in the time, diet and right injectables at the right time...

we can either reach out and teach them the ins and outs, or let them all make badder decisions and ultimately get into trouble with their health, or something worse...

we can also have a place we cn recommend for blood work right away so they can stay ontop of their results so they can stop or reach out for help before it gets too late?

i have always voted for a group where newbees have to go and read and educate themselves before they are aloud to venture into the underground.... but i also dont want the board to die down or people turn away because they arent getting their questions answered quickly enough...

 

[Elivo]

dayummm i thought this post was something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT!! damn i was looken for pointers..... legs wrapped around my head, tongue jabs, abc's, backward snake type motions... i degres....shit like that hahahah

tbh, most are probably going that route due to ease of buying, and watching all these youtube people like zzzy or what ever his name was that ended up dead anyways... RIP anyways...

but if u look at a lot of the past greats deca and dbol were the choice of many, some even would bridge with just dbol between cycles etc.... so id just suggest they keep an eye on their organs, and use small 1-5 mlg per day of any oral and then venture into test etc... IF there is no talking them out of it.... i mean dbol var, etc... they expect to swole up and get striations and the whole kitten kaboodle all instead of being patient and putting in the time, diet and right injectables at the right time...

we can either reach out and teach them the ins and outs, or let them all make badder decisions and ultimately get into trouble with their health, or something worse...

we can also have a place we cn recommend for blood work right away so they can stay ontop of their results so they can stop or reach out for help before it gets too late?

i have always voted for a group where newbees have to go and read and educate themselves before they are aloud to venture into the underground.... but i also dont want the board to die down or people turn away because they arent getting their questions answered quickly enough...

I get what youre saying about having new members have to read up on stuff first, but i also agree that it would prevent a lot of people from bothering to join.

 

[ToolSteel]

Your mom makes a good oral only proposal