I don't have much to add other than do the math people. How can you advise against 2g of test, yet run 1g of test and 600deca with 350mg of an oral each week. Still 2g of aas. Test is the safest compound we can run so take advantage of that shit an appreciate the power of test.
If your goals require other benefits such as collagen synthesis than yes, run your deca or eq but if this is not needed, than I believe the compounds aren't necessary.
KISS is a very true statement.
Test and orals for me for a while. Maybe...depends on my joints. They suck ass...so I may need some deca in my near future. We will see.
Oh and TBOLLLLLLLLLLL!
I will tell you this-
Tren decreases protein synthesis. It also decreases PROTEIN DEGRADATION. It decreases degradation so much more that YOU END UP WITH A HIGH NET PROTEIN ACCRETION.
Test increases protein synthesis AND degradation. Test has a higher rate of synthesis vs degradation, THUS YOU END UP WITH HIGH NET PROTEIN ACCRETION.
Thus, tren and test can be synergistic-tren will lower the increased degradation; test will increased the lowered synthesis rate.
First you talk shit about orals now you're talking shit about tren? Hulk all that test is cutting the air circulation of oxygen to your brain. Go donate some blood.
you weren't impressed? Its obvious the drol back then isn't as potent as the drol today. I LOVE ANADROL.
I was speaking strictly about getting ripped here, not big.... pros come off test completely pre-contest because it limits them from reaching sub 5% bodyfat. Also, I never mentioned more than 2 compounds in any of my examples. I just don't think you need to run more than a gram of test unless you have 50+ lbs to gain or if you feel you are 50+ lbs above your genentic limitations and are looking to keep that size. Maybe you are looking to get much larger than you are, and if that is the case then I'd say you are on the right track. You've done well to get where you are now judging by the avi, but a lot of guys could do that naturally. Whatever floats your boat is cool with me, I'm just saying for me personally if I was going to run that much test I'd like to see more results or have a clear plan for what I was going after.
You can gain a keepable 20 lbs every 4 weeks if you run the right orals and eat 6,000+ cals a day, I know because I've done it. It's all about how you eat/train/sleep during PCT or cruise. For those that blast all day every day there is no such thing as losing gains unless you get lazy with your diet.
I know that already! Doc you know what I'm saying.
They are WEAKER results wise.
Why? Time limitation.
Run orals as long as you could injectables and they would be "stronger".
I'm only taking about results-the only thing that matters.
Hulk please tell me I'm not understanding you correctly that you do not know the answer to your question of" why? Time limitations on orals" ,,,,is that what you are asking?
Orals are very toxic on the liver especially halo. That is why you don't do them for more than 4 to 6 weeks. Some other You can go a bit longer. Depends on the oral.
Hulksmash is the ian McCarthy of steroids.
And you would be correct seeker. Just my 2 cents also. That's 4 cents. Think that makes good sense LOLHere is my 02 regarding this remark. I'm not saying i'm correct, just my ASSesment. Opinions are gonna vary but I feel that the combination of two to three compounds in moderate doses is much more effective and also guarantees a longer duration of effect than when only one compound is taken in a higher dosage.
With the correct combinations one will be able to obtain a synergetic effect if one properly plans selecting compounds that have different influences on the factors of strength, tissue growth, and recovery.
Synergy, which implies that two or more compounds are being used together will often compliment each other, providing a greater muscle gain than if used alone in higher doses.
Of course there is a negative side too. With each compound added the liver has to work harder to to metabolize it and remove it from your body.
Here is my 02 regarding this remark. I'm not saying i'm correct, just my ASSesment. Opinions are gonna vary but I feel that the combination of two to three compounds in moderate doses is much more effective and also guarantees a longer duration of effect than when only one compound is taken in a higher dosage.
With the correct combinations one will be able to obtain a synergetic effect if one properly plans selecting compounds that have different influences on the factors of strength, tissue growth, and recovery.
Synergy, which implies that two or more compounds are being used together will often compliment each other, providing a greater muscle gain than if used alone in higher doses.
Of course there is a negative side too. With each compound added the liver has to work harder to to metabolize it and remove it from your body.
Oral AAS hepatotoxicity is grossly overstated in most accounts. The liver is the best self-regenerating organ in your body, even better than your skin! There are plenty of studies around showing patients running Anadrol at a dose exceeding 150mg daily for an entire YEAR! Their liver values came back elevated, but not life-threatening. Now if you can imagine only running it for 6 weeks max rather than a year you can understand what I'm trying to say here.
I would rather take test only vs. 2 drugs that worked primarily via the AR mediated pathway. KISS
The hepatotoxicity shouldn't be underestimated. There is a reason that there are people waiting in line for a liver transplant. I dont really like using the studies on pubmed because those people are not necessarily healthy and arent comparable to athletes. I will ride on my personal experience in saying that I have seen a lot of guys living on drol turn yellow and get glassy eyed. It is also possible to block the chemical cascade that calls for liver regeneration. Insulin plays an important role in that process. HGH administration combined with heavy oral usage can be problematic because the potential insulin insensitivity associated with the HGH could essentially block the processes that repair the liver. In fact, any AAS that decreases insulin sensitivity can inhibit liver repair.
Sorry FRANK test is not the safest compound. Deca has far less sides. The debate on why not run 2 grams of test but run 2 grams of combined compounds is that many believe 2 grams of test isn't any more beneficial than 1 gram. So why over tax your body for nothing. 2 grams of 2 or 3 compounds you will at least get some benefits from.
I agree on the liver bit.
I can also agree with the first statement..but I'm sticking with just test now.
I love kicking the forum alive with my posts/threads..5 pages now!
I can agree to the "synergistic" comment with the caveat that the drugs in question act in different pathways (AR and non-AR mediated). I would rather take test only vs. 2 drugs that worked primarily via the AR mediated pathway. KISS--Keep It Simple for Seeker. LOL....i am hilarious. Simply hilarious.
But, for my purposes in powerlifting, protein synthesis isn't always what i am looking toward, so I am test biased with other compounds thrown in for collagen support.
The hepatotoxicity shouldn't be underestimated. There is a reason that there are people waiting in line for a liver transplant. I dont really like using the studies on pubmed because those people are not necessarily healthy and arent comparable to athletes. I will ride on my personal experience in saying that I have seen a lot of guys living on drol turn yellow and get glassy eyed. It is also possible to block the chemical cascade that calls for liver regeneration. Insulin plays an important role in that process. HGH administration combined with heavy oral usage can be problematic because the potential insulin insensitivity associated with the HGH could essentially block the processes that repair the liver. In fact, any AAS that decreases insulin sensitivity can inhibit liver repair.