Coach Recommended First Cycle

[LocalGymRat]

What's up guys.
Quick post here just to lay out what a coach recommended to one of his clients for a First Time Cycle.
Weeks 1-2
200mg Test C EOD
200mg EQ EOD
25mg Aromasin EOD
20mg Tbol Daily

Weeks 3-4
200mg Test C EOD
200mg EQ EOD
25mg Aromasin EOD
40mg Tbol Daily

Week 5-10
200mg Test C EOD
200mg EQ EOD
25mg Aromasin EOD
Drop TBOL

Weeks 11-16
200mg Test C EOD
200mg Primo EOD
100mg Mast E EOD
25mg Aromasin EOD

(If Client can afford it) 2IU Growth 30min prior to first meal.



My thoughts upon review: The individual requested a First Time Cycle and was given a program where he is running 1400mg worth of oils for the first 4 weeks (200mg Test C x 3.5 = 700mg) (200mg EQ x 3.5 = 700mg) =1400 mg. Not to mention an additional 140mg worth of orals and Pre-emptively taking 88mg worth of an AI on a weekly basis...

What do you guys think about this? I know some of the compounds don't aromatize at all but I've always thought of the TEST ONLY first cycle.

Just looking for some community insight.

 

[RiR0]

I personally don’t see anything wrong with it. The only issue I see is giving an ai dose. If the person doesn’t need an ai then they’ll crash their estrogen.
I’d imagine since it’s only 5 weeks the primo is ace and that’s probably going to hurt like a bitch especially for someone’s first cycle.
If somebody wants to be competitive there’s going be more than 400-500mg of testosterone a week involved.

 

[Send0]

What's up guys.
Quick post here just to lay out what a coach recommended to one of his clients for a First Time Cycle.
Weeks 1-2
200mg Test C EOD
200mg EQ EOD
25mg Aromasin EOD
20mg Tbol Daily

Weeks 3-4
200mg Test C EOD
200mg EQ EOD
25mg Aromasin EOD
40mg Tbol Daily

Week 5-10
200mg Test C EOD
200mg EQ EOD
25mg Aromasin EOD
Drop TBOL

Weeks 11-16
200mg Test C EOD
200mg Primo EOD
100mg Mast E EOD
25mg Aromasin EOD

(If Client can afford it) 2IU Growth 30min prior to first meal.



My thoughts upon review: The individual requested a First Time Cycle and was given a program where he is running 1400mg worth of oils for the first 4 weeks (200mg Test C x 3.5 = 700mg) (200mg EQ x 3.5 = 700mg) =1400 mg. Not to mention an additional 140mg worth of orals and Pre-emptively taking 88mg worth of an AI on a weekly basis...

What do you guys think about this? I know some of the compounds don't aromatize at all but I've always thought of the TEST ONLY first cycle.

Just looking for some community insight.

I'd say it depends on the clients training experience, competition level, and how big they currently are.

I'm no trainer or coach, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but those are my initial thoughts.

My only other thought is about the AI. I would hope the coach would tell him to only take it as needed, instead of absolutely requiring that he takes it blindly.

 

[Badleroybrown]

I think he is a shitty coach to recommend a cycle like that to a new user..

 

[LocalGymRat]

I'd say it depends on the clients training experience, competition level, and how big they currently are.

I'm no trainer or coach, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but those are my initial thoughts.

My only other thought is about the AI. I would hope the coach would tell him to only take it as needed, instead of absolutely requiring that he takes it blindly.

Thanks for chiming in Send, when you mention the AI as needed you mean first sign of tingling nips specifically?

 

[Obscured78]

My initial thought is I hate it for a first time cycle and I’d fire that coach. Just my two cents.

 

[Send0]

I think he is a shitty coach to recommend a cycle like that to a new user..

What if the client was 5'8", 200lbs and 10-11% body fat, with 10 years of hardcore training under their belt, and lots of experience being on stage?

 

[LocalGymRat]

I think he is a shitty coach to recommend a cycle like that to a new user..

My thoughts were it was just a cookie cutter plan and not specified for the individual himself

 

[LocalGymRat]

My initial thought is I hate it for a first time cycle and I’d fire that coach. Just my two cents.

I would agree that it just seems overboard to me, but then again I'm no coach myself

 

[Send0]

@LocalGymRat do you have any stats, and background information, of the client in question?

 

[RiR0]

My thoughts were it was just a cookie cutter plan and not specified for the individual himself

Well all coaches have to start somewhere. Things change as time goes on.

 

[Obscured78]

Wtf is primo for only five weeks at the end going to do? So much more than that is wrong in my opinion but answer me that first.

 

[RiR0]

Wtf is primo for only five weeks at the end going to do? So much more than that is wrong in my opinion but answer me that first.

If it’s primo ace 5 weeks would be fine.

 

[LocalGymRat]

I personally don’t see anything wrong with it. The only issue I see is giving an ai dose. If the person doesn’t need an ai then they’ll crash their estrogen.
I’d imagine since it’s only 5 weeks the primo is ace and that’s probably going to hurt like a bitch especially for someone’s first cycle.
If somebody wants to be competitive there’s going be more than 400-500mg of testosterone a week involved.

You don't think it's a little advanced for a first time go?

 

[Send0]

Thanks for chiming in Send, when you mention the AI as needed you mean first sign of tingling nips specifically?

Yeah, at first sign of E2 related sides.

 

[RiR0]

You don't think it's a little advanced for a first time go?

I don’t have enough information to decide.
The cycle isn’t anything crazy especially for someone actually wanting to compete.

 

[Badleroybrown]

Just seems like a lot of gear for a first time user. Even if he has competed…
But if the coach is going to see it thrunwith him and give him advice all the way then hey why not

 

[Send0]

Just seems like a lot of gear for a first time user. Even if he has competed…
But if the coach is going to see it thrunwith him and give him advice all the way then hey why not

This was my assumption when I gave my initial answer.... but maybe I'm giving coaches more credit than they deserve?

 

[LocalGymRat]

@LocalGymRat do you have any stats, and background information, of the client in question?

Buddy is 5'10, roughly 185-190lbs, 15-17%BF and natty training for 5-6 years I believe. I advised him on a 350mg Test c weekly for a first cycle but he sought "professional advice"

 

[Capthowdy]

That’s a terrible cycle for some one who is new imo .. what if you get sides ? How are you suppose to know what it came from with all that different stuff you never used before ?


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